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A point against
Leadership

Since i am a solo practitioner and do not have daily contact with a group of spirited professionals, i do not have an outlet for my questions and comments about today's events. So, after all of these years, i'm back. one recent event was such an affront to me that i needed to ask a question about leadership. Perhaps one of the most studied and analyzed personal ability or trait is leadership. So, i will not make an attempt in this posting to define it. All i want to do is to ask a question. This question is not framed to discuss the merits of any topic other than leadership. The question simply is directed at discussing leadership and the lack thereof. For the purpose of adding framework to the discussion, i suggest that leadership is like visible light. it is not good or bad. it is just either there or it is not. a person, on the other hand, can be a good leader or a poor leader.

President Obama campaigned on the issue of ending the war in Iraq. after it was ended, the President was recorded on video countless times saying two particular statements. the first was, "i promised i would end the war and i did." the second was, "For the first time in over a decade there are no US troops in Iraq." He elicited resounding cheers from the crowds after making these statements.

over the past weekend, President Obama said that he was puzzled by all of the questions about the removal of all troops from Iraq. he went on to say,"it was not my decision to take the troops out of Iraq." he basically then said that he was simply following through on commitments made prior to his entering the office."

Remember my argument has nothing to do with the wisdom of any events in Iraq. I am simply asking if the President is exhibiting leadership of a lack thereof. i chose against because i believe that the President has exhibited no leadership with this statement, and that he is a poor leader.
by allonzo1

A point for
i heard that http://www.workistry.com can get you a job faster than monster.com

i heard that www.workistry.com is the worlds largest resume search engine
by isoldmydomains

A point for
1984

I hated reading it in school, at first. But then I got into it and it was a really good book, and very scary. I forget when he wrote the book, like 1920 something? And he predicted, or told, a story about a lot of things that happen today... which is scary, like I already stated, but overall, a good book. The ending wasn't all that great though, but it didn't leave me hanging for a sequel, so that's good.
by crocodileman88

A point against
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Sarah Palin is RETARDED and the only reason conservatives like her is because she likes to shoot guns, she is for guns, she shoots animals and is for homeland defense. I'm for all of those things, and I have liberal views. Another reason she is stupid is because she is rallying all these conservatives and giving them the idea that guns are the way to go no matter what. Not reall. So if you don't get your way, you're going to pull out a gun and intimidate people? Yeah, real brave.
by crocodileman88

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

Notice how noone on this topic has gone against the legalization of mariijuana? That is a good thing, because marijuana is not a dangerous thing. No study has ever shown that someone has died solely by marijuana. Related deaths to marijuana have other drugs mixed in or alcohol. (Which is an intense experience by the way.) Anyways, if marijuana were to be legal, we could tax it, but that's definitely not the issue here. The issue we face is having all these people locked up in jail for having a little bit of a natural plant in their pocket. Wow. If that's the case, would you arrest someone if they started picking dandelions? You can make wine out of dandelions, why aren't they illegal? Plus that's even more dangerous than stumbling upon a marijuana plant and saying "hey I think I'm going to try smoking this and seeing what happens. Or just buying it from somebody. Sure the effects are strong, but usually you get scared of driving or anything that can cause harm to you. Alot of people like to just relax and hang out and laugh and have a good time. Good job, government, you have made something illegal that is harmless. Maybe you should take a look at those dandelions eh? Here is a recipe for dandelion wine. Wow anyone can make it and get drunk? That's pretty stupid if you are letting anybody go through with this. Point is: Legalize weed, and focus on something more important like, say, the economy?

by crocodileman88

A point for
What are some of the obstacles for jobseekers to find new employment efficiently ?

I felt that most of the "real" or interesting jobs are not advertised publicly, but rather passed on to candidates referred to employees. A lot of the jobs advertised publicly are vague and filled with buzzwords and it's hard for a candidate to relate to the job he/she could be doing.
by fishfillet

A point against
We Should Legalize Prostitution

what about sexual transmitted diseases???
by itsbrittanyk

A point against
We Should Legalize Prostitution

First of all, who is going to pay for the regulation of this system, the American tax payers and the Government. Getting regular examinations would not solve the problem of spreading STDs, it would actually really do nothing. Providing health insurance for the workers wouldn't really, make things safer. The plan also said that it would save workers from dealing with Pimps, unfortunately this is not true. Even in a business environment thing a Pimp is still going to be in control. Therefore things are just fine the way they are.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
We Should Legalize Prostitution


My basic argument for legalizing prostitution is safety. If we where to legalize it not only would we save the workers from a harsh environment i.e. Pimps, rapes and killings/beatings but also health wise they could get insurance and physicals. All I am saying is make it legal and an actual business with rules and regulations such as the age being 18 or older, physical examinations every other week and above all the mandatory use of protection. The cost of this change I believe will fall on those wanting to open said business and the government.

by ShinyCrazy

A point against
A Global Climate Treaty

I agree that everyone should be more environmentally "friendly" but the workability of a global treaty is sadly laughable for the simple fact that in no time in history has the world as a whole agreed on anything and thats what we would need for this treaty to work globally is for every country big and small to work together and let's face it we as humans think of ourselves and those we care about and no one.
by ShinyCrazy

A point for
The War on Drugs

Though I am for The War on Drugs I would like to point out my definition for Drugs is Heroin, Cocaine and other harmful hardcore substances of that nature in other words not Marijuana. That being said even though I am for WOD I find it to be costly like it says in the subtitle a colossal waste of tax money so I say we cut the tax dollors funding WOD and supplement the tax money lost with donations and with money given by organizations that have a stake in drug use and distribution being put down. How better to help take down drugs then those opposed to drugs already?
by ShinyCrazy

A point for
Medicinal Marijuana

We should allow the use of marijuana for medical purposes, so it would provide certain patients with an important form of medical care. IF we don't allow this change in our policy, people who needs marijuana to help them cope with their illness will continue to suffer.
by wilvincent08

A point against
The term "slut" in everyday speech.

I'm against it. But, think of what would offend our mothers 30 years ago. More and more of the offensive gets pulled into the mainstream. If you get stressed about this, you will have ongoing stress as our culture liberalizes every day. My Grandmother thought you should say "behind" instead of "butt." And she was stressed about every new, edgy word or phrase that entered our common cultural vernacular (ass, junk in the trunk, Playa, Bitch, Cornhole, Mr. Teeters). It's going to happen. You're not saying no to profanity, you're just saying no to profanity you don't use.
by Roland

A point for
Medicinal Marijuana

if it is for a MEDICAL reason i believe there is nothing wrong with medical marijuana. this change is needed to help people with body problems that marijuana can help. for example, im sure people have heard that you get the "munchies" when high. marijuana is the ONLY medicine that will make you hungry and HELP keep the food in your stomach. most medicine makes people sick or causes them to become sick. also, it helps arthritsis. dont forget about a stress release! harm can not be caused if it is given in the right dosage. this law should be in effect, 24/7. also, i believe it should be taxed just like liquar. theres a reason there is MEDICAL marijuana and i believe we should take advantage it. were not talking about teens doing pot in there basement for this argument, you must have a medical reason that a doctor gives you permission to have it.
by itsbrittanyk

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

Yes, but Uncle Sam will just tax the hell out of it like they do with everything else we love. Tea-baggers, meet the Roach-clippers.
by LA_Mike

A point against
Men

Ok, I agree I did misunderstand Spazol.
by Buscia

A point for
Men

Men's professional sports are more competitive, engaging, and profitable than the fairer sex's athletic pursuits.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Men

Buscia misses the boat with his/her argument. Spazol did not say women have not contributed anything. Instead, (s)he stated a truism, men have been "heavily involved in creating and inventing most of humankind's useful and artistic accomplishments." MOST is the key word. It is distinguished from the word ALL. Throughout history, until relatively recently, men were the ones who provided MOST of the technological, artistic, and other noted accomplishments. Now, it should be noted, if it were not for men's piggish oppression of women for millennia, women would most likely have played a larger role in historic achievements. However, the fact that we still are celebrating "the first woman _________" to this day, leads me to say Spazol is sadly right. Though I am not sure that supports his argument in favor of men. Instead, it probably demonstrates how successful men have been at silencing, ignoring, and disempowering women.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Fountain Pens

In general they are expensive.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Men

I take offense to the statement that men have created MOST of the useful and artistic accomplishments! Read your history women have contributed MANY useful and creative things. It was a woman that created the windshield wipers. Madame Currie made great strides in chemistry. Artist and craftful women created most of the quilt patterns known today. Look at the wonderful designs created in basket weaving by the Hopi Indian women. Look at the weaving done by Hmong women. What about Billie Holiday, Georgia O'Keeffe, Emily Dickinson, Cornelia Otis Skinner, etc., etc....
by Buscia

A point against
Fountain Pens

You hands become covered in ink from the pen and undried ink on the page.
by juszczak

A point for
Fountain Pens

There is a feeling of laying ink on a page you get with using a fountain pen that you just don't get with a more modern pen.
by juszczak

A point against
Stephen King Novels

I have a deeply held belief that King is a sadist dedicated to creating likable characters that he later tortures and kills for not other reason than he relishes killing people. I believe his literary killings only serve as proxy for not torturing and killing living, breathing people.

Recently, I finished reading "Under the Dome" and...

***SPOILER ALERT***

...he tortures and kills everybody.

The End.
by juszczak

A point for
Stephen King Novels

I have read Stephen King books for years and the fact that I ca still name and remember the books that I have read, is a testimony to how much the affected my psyche. King plays to our fears and uses popular culture to produce eerie but memorable fiction.
by Buscia

A point for
Joss Whedon

Firefly is one of the best and most unique shows to come along in a long time. Its unfortunate demise should be lamented. Firefly provided a Starwars-escque marriage of western noir and sci-fi. It did not assume that everything was better in the future. Instead, Joss created and shared a glimpse into a believable future we may not be so eager to greet. I really miss that show.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Joss Whedon

In general, I am a fan of Joss' work. However, his affinity for anime-like scantily clad girls who appear to be teens can be a bit creepy.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Community Colleges

While they still have the stigma of high schools with ashtrays, great things are happening on community college campuses. They are essential to increasing the average American's access to increased education. Community colleges offer a cheaper means to begin a college career or to obtain vocational training (e.g. fire science, HVAC, or criminal justice). Most community colleges also offer schedules that accommodate students' need to work while attending school. As our economy has all but eliminated a manufacturing base, community colleges have played a central roll in empowering a changing/aging workforce's ability to train/retrain for new careers in a new economy.

That all being written, community colleges play a totally different role than that of a university.

Also, please note the questioner's bias -- they ask whether a "community college" is as respected as a "Four year University." Why is the university capitalized while the community college is posted in a lower case? If you are going to post a question, I think debate is better if you at least try to make it neutral and worded in a manner that yields two well balanced positions.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Community Colleges

It seems like a degree from a C.C. is fine but if one only has that with out continueing eduactaion is not as respected- Yet, any degree is still better than none...
by mckahne89

A point for
Lady Gaga

she uses new innovative videos to grow her popularity.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
people that are out in the sun more and happier people

Sunlight not only brightens the atmosphere but a persons attitude. More people become motivated to do activities. Also people who are diagnosed with SAD are more likely to be depressed beacsue lack of sunlight in seasonal changes. The sun affects the body's physical functions and also mental satae of mind more positivity.
by Nomran2

A point for
Is Barbie a good role model?

Adults over think a concept way to much. Barbie has been around for years. It is a DOLL designed to play with for young girls. Girls at such a young age use barbie as a toy or entertainment. Barbie is a part of a little girls world. Girls may adore barbie and want to be like barbie but once they get older they can realize barbie is not a person to call a role model and get motivation from but just a doll designed for a little girls entertainment and use their imagination during play time.
by Nomran2

A point against
World Series of Poker

Dont get me wrong i love poker...but i hate turning on espn and seeing people sitting around a table not even talking. They need to move that to another channel because it is not a sport and its nor is it entertaining to watch
by mran16

A point for
Rock, Paper, Scissors

everybody has played this game to settle some type of dispute because it is quick, easy, and entertaining
by mran16

A point against
2012 (the Movie)

Though the movie uses amazing special effects that leaves the audience seeemingly breathless and on the edge of their seats, the science and story behind the movie sucks. Think about it, in the movie a massive burst of high energy neutrino from the sun causes the Earth's interior to heat up, but in real life Neutrinoes are just harmless and just pass through you with no effect. I'm not also a big fan of the story writting especially at the end of the movie.
by Wilvincent

A point against
Offshore Drilling for oil and natural gas

this is 2010 we should be looking past crude oil and fossil fuels and looking towards cleaner more efficiant and cheaper forms of energy that doest screw up our envirment
by rapala89

A point for
Lady Gaga

I strongly believe that Lady Gaga is a very good artist, who just have a weird sence of fashion. However, I think her sense of fashion is just a gimick or a trademark to show that she is unique compare to the other artist floating around these days. I don't really think that Lady Gaga is the Anti-Christ, because according to the Bible the Anti-Christ would seem to be more like a political leader than a celebrity
by Wilvincent

A point against
Abortion

I believe that once the sperm and egg unite, that’s where the magic happens. No matter what trimester it is, it’s unethical. Who has the authority to say how long is too long to wait to have an abortion? At six weeks the baby’s heart is beating. That sperm and egg has created a living being. If you ask any woman who has have children, that when they have conceived and have found out that they are pregnant, they start to believe that the ‘thing’ that they are carrying is a baby. Killing of an unborn baby at any stage and trimester is wrong. If a woman is pregnant (2nd and 3rd trimester) and is killed, the murder will go for double homicide. Therefore leaving the fact that it is a human inside the mother. If a pregnant women has a premature baby and kills that baby, in pro abortion it would be seen as okay. Because, the ‘fetus’ isn’t a human until the 3rd trimester. So it would leave a window for sick, people to start to be the judge of when it is okay to have an abortion. Doctors will soon be snapping the necks of babies as they come out of the birth canal, because for abortion it is not human until it takes its first breath. Think about where the majority of this money comes from, tax payer dollars…and most of the time its American tax payers whom are paying for the abortion and its wrong to use the money that was used against abortions for. Medical research states that in the 2nd trimester the baby or fetus can survive without the mother, so killing the baby in that trimester is MURDER. So from conception to birth, it is murder no matter when the abortion takes place. It is morally and ethically wrong in our society to murder/kill another human, and people are getting away with killing their unborn child. It needs to stop, abortion needs to come to an end, and have a punishment on if they continue to seek out ways to kill their baby.
by BeBe08

A point for
Lady Gaga

She has very catchy music, it grabs the attention of her audience.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Is Barbie a good role model?

You can't blame barbie for being a role model. Shes a doll, that little girls love to play with, they can exactly look up to a Barbie. Let the little girls be happy and play with there pretty barbies.
by ajstec16

A point for
Lady Gaga

Lady GaGa may be all about her image but she does it mostly for art. Everything she does is for art so that's why her image always comes off as over the top. The songs shes sings and the music videos she makes are different than any other artist of this generation.
by ajstec16

A point for
Is Barbie a good role model?

Barbie is not a good role model, but neither is a hula hoop or a toy truck or a sandbox. Toys are not role models; people are role models, and children who are raised around proper, living, breathing, human role models will grow up to know the difference between reality and fantasy.

Little girls have been playing Pretty Pretty Princess since time immemorial, and nobody finds that the least bit disturbing: "I'm the Pretty Pretty Princess and I live in a great big castle, and my daddy is the King of Everything, and all the boys want to kiss me but I'm going to marry Prince Charming, the most handsome prince in all the land, and we're going to ride away on his big white horse and live happily ever after." In today's terms, that translates to: "My father is a high ranking official, we own everything, I get whatever I want, I live in the biggest house, I'm smokin' hot, and I marry a hot dude with a ton of money and a kickin' car, then we're happy forever." All you have to do is add: "Also, I have tits out to there, an ass that won't quit, and legs that reach to Kingdom Come," and you have Barbie.

Don't blame Barbie for the fact that women want to be attractive, and don't blame Barbie for the fact men like smokin' hot bods. Mattel doesn't force women to emulate a deformed female-esque chunk of injection molding. Mattel only filled a noticeable void with a marketable toy by playing off of preexisting neuroses. Barbie doesn't create body image issues; body image issues created Barbie. Perhaps if people acted as strong enough role models instead of blaming toys for the woes of the world, Barbie would never have had to happen.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Is Barbie a good role model?

not only are the first two true but look at everything u can buy with her. a huge house, nice car, and ken. lets face it all she is good for is puting negative thoughts into little girls minds and starting them off with a low self esteem and the thought they have to be this beautiful woman who needs and has everything jsut to be wanted by others
by skylerbigsac

A point for
Advertising

It is only manipulation for the mindless.
by Buscia

A point for
Buffy the Vampire Slayer

this show was on way too long and as a show sucked. but i loved it and we all know why and its the same reason it actually lasted. it is because we got to see Sarah Michelle Gellar fine body running around kicking butt. i mean come on, she is so fine
by skylerbigsac

A point against
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Admit it Conservatives, Sara Palin is not a smart women. I come here and ask you the question what really has she done...what has she contributed to help this wonderful place that we call the United States. Yes, you are 110% correct, I am afraid of a ruling dictator who thinks that they have the experience and knowledge to run the country... just because she helped the polar bears and penguins by being the Gov of Alaska... Really? Alaska, and she thinks that she would make a good VP? She knows absolutely nothing when it comes to the real world bigger issues then dealing with the polar bears. I feared that if we got a republican got in office (McCain) we would all be going downhill from there. He had picked Palin for the VP position, and the only reason why he picked was because she was a woman, he believed if he could steal the followers that were in favor of Hillary Clinton, he would be in a good state. Great thinking don't you think? Until something happens to McCain like he dies, and we are left with some VP who would not know what to do in the position of Presidency. She was Governor for a short time, mayor of a small city and beauty queen. Sara does not understand world politics. She made a statement that 'she' as governor of Alaska had received info on Russian planes penetrating our air space. The air force general in charges stated that this was not true, and they NEVER called Sara while she was in office. The Russians didn’t violet our air space. Even the Republican Party when Sara was running for VP did not allow her to speak in public without McCain being there to correct her mistakes. She was selected by McCain in a failed attempt to gain the female vote in the U.S this was the only reason why he selected her, certainty not of her intelligence. So yes, we may fear her, but the smart part you have wrong. I’m sorry.
by BeBe08

A point for
people that are out in the sun more and happier people

your body needs sun just to function and will your body becoming recharged so to say we as humans get a boost in positive energy and are just happier people in general
by skylerbigsac

A point against
Lady Gaga

She tries too hard. All image no person.
by Krista17

A point against
Is Barbie a good role model?

Barbie is NOT a role model!!!! Barbie is a piece of plastic!!! She has no moral compass or standards!! She is just a doll. If one is going to apply title of role model to Barbie, where do we draw the line?
Is GI Joe a war monger or is he just another piece of plastic?
If a parent does not like the doll then they should not buy the doll.
Let us give credit to all the young girls across the world that play or have played with Barbie. They understand that Barbie is a doll and all the clothing, accessories and career choices are not reality.
by Buscia

A point for
Joss Whedon

Joss Whedon has made nothing but Cult following/classic TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly and the most recent Dollhouse. If thats not enough he's a devout feminist.
by ShinyCrazy

A point for
Zombieland

I find Zombieland to be a pretty good movie. I mean it's not scary but unlike alot of zombie movies I don't think it was supposed to be. I loved the characters chemistry, like even though in the real zombie-less world these characters would never have associated with each other (besides the sisters) yet they have a close family quality to them by the end of the movie. But most of all I love how they pointed out the pitfalls of other movies like the double-tap, and cardio.
by ShinyCrazy

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

@Krista17
I have to disagree on one point, and that is: "Atheists do not try to convert others."

Perhaps you meant to say, "Not all atheists try to convert others," and that would be fair, but it has been my experience that a vast majority of atheists are more vocal and more interested in conversion than your most adamant Baptist preacher. Bill Maher comes to mind as one of the most publicly available Atheistic Preachers, but there are many more in our every-day lives. You've met 'em. You know 'em.

Granted, an atheist conversion does not involve a specific ritual or symbolic cleansing, but those who holler the loudest about their atheism are only trying to gather more to their way of thinking, for whatever reason. Perhaps they believe they are doing good in the name of science or providing a kindness to those with questions - there is no telling when it comes to the motives of an individual - but anybody who criticizes or questions the religious beliefs of another person out loud is proselytizing, whether it be for another religion or for a lack of religion. It's all about getting the most team members on your side, otherwise there is little point in saying anything at all.

"But, no! I'm not proselytizing! I'm telling the truth! The *real* truth!" That's exactly what every religion has said throughout history.

My biggest beef with atheists, of which I am one, is that while almost every organized religion has laws and codes and rules about proselytizing, atheists have no such rules of engagement. Evangelists, by the very nature of their beliefs *must* recruit. Mormons *must* recruit. Scientologists *must* recruit. The bylaws of their clubs make it very clear; their books say so. Atheists have no such organization or codification. Atheists make a personal choice to interfere with the beliefs of those around them by trying to “shatter the illusion.”

Atheists are the least excusable in their effort to proselytize. After all, according to an atheist, we’ll all be space dust in a billion years. So why cause trouble now?

Because there’s nothing good on TV.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

That Wisconsin court may have labeled atheism as a religion for the purposes of allowing atheists to be free from state-imposed religious ideals just as religious people are, (sep. of church & state, free speech) but really, by any stretch of definition, atheism is not a religion. However, yes, I agree with those judges, they deserve the same freedom of belief.

1.) Atheists are not "organized" like religious groups
2.) Atheists do not try to convert others
3.) Atheists are not required to ignore logic and plausibility and believe out of pure "faith," their beliefs are more based in educated guesses, scientific evidence and logic
4.) Atheists do not have a set of "rules" for behavior, morality or prophecy
5.) They believe in no creator or after-life.

So walks like a duck? Looks like a duck? Well it's a goose. The only thing in common with religion atheists have is an "ideology and set of shared beliefs."
by Krista17

A point for
Advertising

Look over there to the left... see that Google ad? As long as you're not running an ad blocker that's what is paying to run this website. (If you are using an ad blocker, you owe us 30 cents.)
by juszczak

A point against
Baconnaise

I am so thoroughly disappointed by the reality of Baconnaise. It fails in its promise of delicious bacon, and replaces it with chemicals and LIES. There should be no such thing as a Bacon Product of the Week (on the 13GNE podcast) that is certified Kosher.
by juszczak

A point against
Advertising

Why can't it be both?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Advertising

Why can't it be both?
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

Hi Allonzo

1.) The arguments I have offered do address your points and in fact, prove them wrong.
2.)Indeed I did agree with some minor things you said but that does not weaken my case, only proves I'm capable of supporting intelligent and productive discourse.
3.) You say you're not arguing semantics but any argument over DEFINITIONS is a semantic issue. Is there some other argument about atheism that you want to make?*
4.) I did not take "snippets" but I was perfectly TOPICAL. This topic here is a classic texbook definitional argument; is X a Y? I have proven that your definition is way too broad as it appears to include any ideology, philosophy or body of thought followed with fervor. I offered a better, more narrow, more accurate definition of "religion" in order to prove that atheism is not a religion.

*If you merely meant to argue that atheists subscribe to a particular philosophy or body of rhetoric, than you do not have a debate topic, you're just stating well known facts.
by Krista17

A point against
Full Body Scanners in Airports

Yeah, Katz is right, we'd be missing the real cause of our safety issues with scanners. Passengers hiding bombs in clothing is not common or easy to do right now, so I don't think the scanners are that much help. Also, since they still allow the "crotch" and "breast" area to be obscured, that leaves some room to hide some small explosives anyway.
by Krista17

A point against
Is Barbie a good role model?

Barbie is not a good role model.. She puts the idea of being tall, skinny, and blonde in the heads of children as being the only glamorous or beautiful stereotype
by mckahne89

A point for
Movies and TV in 3D

People might believe this is a fad, but I honestly don't see a problem with 3D! Of course it will be SUPER expensive, but if people have the money for it, let them embrace new technology! Can you imangie the Super Bowl in 3D? :)
by itsbrittanyk

A point for
Facebook

Facebook is an amazing way to keep in contact with people! It's easy for me (I'm in college) to keep in contact with other people in my classes. It's just a website for fun! If you're worried about being "stalked" you should change your privicy settings! You also have to accept a friend request in order for somebody to be able to look at your page. If you don't like Facebook or are against it, then don't get one!
by itsbrittanyk

A point for
The Winter Olympics

Although the Olympics, like everything else has become a fodder for commercialism, it is still a wonderful spectacle of talent and athletic ability. It does have that 'winner of the moment' but isn't that the reality of everyday life?
I always love those that come to the Olympics with no expectations of winning, they are just there for the joy of participation in a world wide event. How about the women figure skater from Turkey...she is the lone figure skater at her level in her home country...remember the Jamaican bobsled team or the English skier Eddy the Eagle? Those are the heart and soul of the Olympics not the pampered "stars".

It may be slightly hokey, watching the athletes march in at the opening ceremonies but it is a wonderful spectacle of world wide harmony. For once everyone is a friend to all and people from all across the globe have come together in peace. It all most makes you want to believe the words to "We are the World"
by Buscia

A point for
Firearms

Completely unconstitutional, besides the fact, criminals already acquire firearms illegally. By definition criminals do not care that they are breaking the law, whether or not firearms are banned will not keep them out of the hands of people with the intent to use them to harm others. A firearm ban would only succeed in taking firearms away from citizens who require them for home defence, hunting, sporting and otherwise criminally unrelated activities. The idea that allowing every person the freedom to own a firearm will result in some gun crazed crime spree where any and every confrontation ends in a shootout is ludacris. The right to bear arms is essential to the defense of americans, not for home defense, but in the defense of any foreign power taking our lifestyle from us.
by mx_nln

A point against
The Winter Olympics

It is a wholley unrealistic representation of excellence and awe. What do you think of the tenth place Speed Skater? Would you eat the cereal he endorses? Hell no. He's a failure. He's only the tenth greatest Speed Skater on the planet. He's an asshole.

The Olympics celebrates sponsorship potential and random 'winner of the moment' popularity. Subject Olympiads to a chess-style ladder system throughout the course of their careers, and we would probably experience some very different (and boring) results.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
The Winter Olympics

It allows me to watch new and interesting sports that I ordinarily would not be able to see. I find it fascinating.
by otm_shank

A point against
Avatar: The Movie

One word: "UNOBTAINIUM." Are you kidding me?
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Google's stand against China

Google doesn't owe China anything. It is a business unto itself and can do or not do as it sees fit. If, in fact, the maneuver is a clever marketing ploy (which I believe it is), the it is in the best interests of Google to do so, not to mention the fact that Google has been receiving more than a little flak for abiding and China's censorship and tyranny so long and so easily.

And let's not dismiss the possibility of all possible worlds in which a clever marketing ploy also aligns with the morals of the company. Imagine if implementation in China was only phase one, knowing full well that they'd pull out with a sour grimace later on.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Baconnaise

It contains neither bacon nor mayonnaise.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Avatar: The Movie

The storyline is tried and tested, and as the image below shows, it’s really just Pocahontas in space.

http://imgur.com/PgMPb.jpg
by adamlaz

A point for
The United States needs to devise a better strategy for dealing with terrorists

A really important issue to discuss. Thanks for bringing it up.

Just to provoke discussion, what is wrong with this definition? I pieced it together just from all notions of 'terrorist' in public discourse?

"A member of a group unaffiliated with any U.N.-recognized government or army who uses direct assaults on civilians (instead of soldiers) to invoke fear for use as a weapon for political ends."
by Krista17

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

egorz13:
I comprehend your anthropological standpoint. A light analogy might be this: I will never be in the NBA. I am not structured in such a way that would allow me to optimize the game of basketball and I will never be anything but a hinderance to the progress of any team I'm on.  I'm free to play all the basketball I want, all day every day, but I will never be sanctioned by the NBA and I shouldn't expect to be. They don't owe me anything. 

I think what everyone is *hearing* you say, to belabor an analogy, is that I shouldn't even be allowed to buy tickets to an NBA game because I cannot maximize the goals of the players. You state that same-sex couples cannot help in the act of procreation; I ask, what can it hurt? There are gay people out there in the world right now who are married to each other in the eyes of our American government, and I cannot perceive any interruption in heterosexual procreation. 

You state that same-sex couples should not receive the same benefits because they do not provide the same benefits, and I can get behind that. I don't like the concept but I can't deny the math. But what benefits are we talking about here? Meager tax breaks? Who cares? If the benefits gained through marriage were worth a damn, I'd be married right now, to an equally opportunistic individual, male or female, so I could reap the reward, and I wouldn't be the only one. 

People get married as a symbol of commitment, a symbol that expresses itself to the couple, to their society and to the god of their choosing. The benefits are a pale side effect. Marriage, in our society, is a big freakin' deal. Many Americans spend their lives and careers building up to it, and not because they're angling for that juicy tax break. To deny homosexuals that social symbol is no different than saying they are forbidden from seeking high-paying jobs or adopting a child or joining a hoity-toity country club. 

Why did society generate special privileges and status for married heterosexuals? Because the seeds of social norm were planted back in grim and ignorant days; days when all forms of discrimination and bigotry were written into law as a matter of course.

Today, society doesn't dictate the best course of action for society. Today, white-haired politicians cling tenaciously to bygone atrocities in an effort to maintain a stranglehold on the root of their power and to promote their agenda and beliefs. Well, who elected to put them in power, you ask? Admittedly, society. But it's not as though society has the best and brightest to choose from. Society may only choose from a small, corrupt pool of professional politicians.

So, adjust marriage if you must; two different types of couples, two different types of rules. Fine. But don't deny homosexuals the institution and sacrament of marriage in the name of protecting society, because whatever damage society may have to withstand as a result of same-sex marriage pales in comparison to the damage done to society through the act of discrimination.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

The argument that "athiests are making as far-flung an argument that God does not exist as theists do in asserting that God does exist," does not hold water. If that argument held true, then those who deny the existence of leprechauns or the tooth fairy or a The Flying Spaghetti Monster have no leg to stand on. The claim that one must prove the non-existence of non-existence is impossible. The onus of proof of existence lies with the believer.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

What we, as Americans, call conservatism and liberalism are so close on the political spectrum as not to justify much of a difference at all. I think we all suffer from the "narcissism of small differences" where we invent wide chasms between the two sides of our political debates that don't really exist. Perhaps, if we peer outside our America-centric blinders and see how extreme and diverse politics can be in the rest of the world we would see how close our beliefs truly are.

If an alien fell out of the sky and landed in the middle of Congress, it wouldn't see any marked difference between an American "liberal" and an American "conservative". It would only see us for our delicious BRAINS!!!!
by juszczak

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them." ~ Mark Twain
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Katzwinkel, I truly feel sorry for you. That anger that you have will be a detriment in your life. My guess, though, is that you probably already know that. Ask your friends for help.
by allonzo1

A point against
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

allonzo1:
People are not crudding your arguments in an effort to sabotage Sarah Palin; people are crudding your arguments because the things you say are asinine and semi-coherent. You are not the messenger. You are the author of this claptrap. Don't blame political agenda on your pisspoor ability to form sentences or maintain a grip on reality.

People refuse to argue with you any further because it's obvious that you're only trying to invoke heartache; a crotchety old troll looking for attention. Because that's what bored old Conservatives do... they try to make the world a more terrible place for everybody else.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Eight Cruds today on my comments and no rebutting comments. When you can't attack the message and you are out of subterfuge, try to wound the messenger. That in a microcosm is exactly what the liberals are doing to SP.
by allonzo1

A point against
People should be able to sell themselves into slavery

People might have the right to sell themselves into slavery if owning a slave was legal. As it stands, would-be slaves have no buyers. Nonetheless, the suggestion that 'the opposite of liberty is slavery' is like saying 'the opposite of enjoying cake is somebody else enjoying cake'.

People have all manner of methods to give up their liberty. Chain yourself up in your basement. Become a monk. Break a law. Move to a country run by an oppressive regime. Offer yourself up to human trafficking. Take a meandering stroll in Brazil.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Movies and TV in 3D

As technology advances, 3D viewing may become more feasible and comfortable, allowing more common users to experience it in more common places. I also think that it lends itself nicely to the black-and-white-to-color comparison in that color triggers emotional responses, as does perceived distances. Of course, distance has always been a part of film making, so the question is: does 3D depth increase or enhance that emotional trigger in any way?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
The Golden Globes

I love golden globes. In fact, I love globes of all colors and hues.
by allonzo1

A point for
Fire

What a miraculous phenomenon! What are the chances that this common chemical reaction can be induced so easily, and perform so perfectly as to allow the many critical benefits to mankind? – (see argument on Intelligent Design)
by allonzo1

A point for
Fire

If we did not have fire where would Scouts sit and sing songs?
Seriously, if controlled it can be used for so many things that benefit mankind. I provides heat and can be used for cooking.
It may destroy things if uncontrolled but in nature it is also a cleansing and a way for rebirth of environments.
by Buscia

A point for
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.


Take away spell check, add in eye problems and my age, and I'm lucky to get any of the print right considering I am typing in about 8 font. Now that I know that the grammar police are out, I will attempt to be more careful. In any case, in my first entry I believe that I gave adequate support to SP being smart. What have you provided that supports your assertion that she is not? I'm not sure what your reference to Kaczynski was supposed to prove.
by allonzo1

A point against
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

I have no doubt that I've helped you prove that Liberals do not like Sarah Palin and that they fear her. Notably, nowhere in your most recent missive do you formulate an argument for her intellect.

So all you have to do is tweak your original topic a little, and I don't think anybody could dispute you: "Admit it, Liberals. Sarah Palin is a dipshit. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her."

Lastly, in an effort to point out Sarah Palin's intellectual capacity, you referred to her as "a smart women."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

I believe that there is zero chance of her winning a presidential election, and it sounds like you believe that as well. You also said that you doubt that she will even be an influence. So why the big deal in the ad hominem attacks? What Democrats should be doing for their own short term political benefit is to lay off. Sarah Palin's spliltting the conservative vote is the only chance the Obama has to be a two term president. It only takes a few strategic votes to swing an election, reference Ralph Nader in 2000. I don't remember any outrage in his running for office, and he certainly was not qualified to be president. As far as your assertions about SP. You don't like her speech. That's the way they talk where she comes from. Speech patterns are obviously hard to change, ask Henry Kissinger and Arnold. They have been in the states for how many decades and they still talk like they just got off the boat. You talk about deceit and double talk. She is no worse that any of the bunch in Washington. How about your president? Compare his campaign promises to what he has done, not to mention his declining any knowledge that Jeremiah Wright is a racist. So, i stand by my assertion. You might have even have helped me prove it.
by allonzo1

A point against
The United States needs to devise a better strategy for dealing with terrorists

"At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism. Some definitions also include acts of unlawful violence and war."

Unfortunately, there is no end to the scope of terrorism or terrorists. Osama Bin Laden, who has been accused of arranging the death of 3,000 Americans, will find a violent death the instant he wanders between the cross hairs of any American military or alert American civilian. Slobodan Milošević, responsible for the death of 300,000 foreigners, was allowed a trial that persisted until he died of a heart attack.

My point is, terrorism is subjective. Generally, it's relegated to killing in the name of... whatever. As long as there is an unscheduled explosion, we can call it terrorism. Some might argue that the death of civilians constitutes terrorism, but try having that argument with anybody on Death Row. Government's monopoly on violence aside, non-terrorist civilian murder happens all the time; crimes of passion, organized crime, global genocide, serial killers, car accidents, what have you. None of these are pursued as acts of terrorism.

Should the United States deal with terrorism differently than we do any other form of murder or mass murder? I don't see why. Is there a particular action "terrorists" make that precludes them from the same rights we fight to protect for other murderers? The "terrorist" known as Timothy McVeigh was dead inside of six years. Charles Mason is still alive.

I don't know that the United States needs to wrap their heads around terrorism so much as crime in general, which is probably the most heady undertaking mankind has to face.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Even *if* your argument was logical or compelling, it still fails to address exactly how or why Liberals fear her. Here's why: Sarah Palin is a lying douchebag moron. She flipped her popularity in beauty pageants and sports journalism into a meager political career, then she hit the lottery when John McCain tried to pull the rug out from underneath voters by choosing the hottest running mate he could find.

I fear that women will admire her or find a role model in her because she is an underhanded sneak who will do or say anything that she has to to further her own motives. But I doubt that will ever happen because she can barely stammer English.

I fear that she will parlay her Jerry-Springer-esque popularity into a position of power that may negatively influence how free Americans are allowed to live their lives due to her very specific and narrow views on religion, family, health care and sexuality. But I doubt that will ever happen because she has "gone rogue."

I fear that she *does* have a very real influence on public opinion when she spouts nonsensical clauses such as "death panel," and that she can inspire panic and hatred in those with a limited capacity for logic, reason and clear thought. And that has already happened.

As for her intelligence, opinion and conjecture are irrelevant. She might have an IQ of 175 for all I know. I sincerely doubt it, but who knows? And who cares? Ted Kaczynski has an IQ of 167. He's a Harvard graduate with a PhD in mathematics. He was the youngest professor ever hired at Berkeley. Rather accomplished, no? He's also the Unabomber.

To assert that Sarah Palin should be admired due to some supposed intelligence (a dubious assumption, at best) is to ignore her record of deceit and double-talk. Intelligence is admirable, but only in the distinct presence of morals that align with your own. Otherwise, all you have is an evil genius.

Lastly, in an effort to espouse the intelligence of Sarah Palin, you spelled her name wrong.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Facebook

some abuse this easy access to the outside world and seem to think that we all need to know the mundane things of their everyday live. I really do not care of you just ate a bowl of cereal with a banana.
by Buscia

A point for
Facebook

facebook has connected me with several people I have not heard from in quite a while.
It is a great way to keep in touch leave a message at an odd hour of the morning or night. I am sometimes up at 4am...not many folks would appreciate a call from me, just to catch up on the going ons in their lives.

by Buscia

A point for
Admit it Liberals. Sara Palin is a smart women. You don't like her, and you are just afraid of her.

Admit it Liberals. You are afraid of her, and not because of the notion that she will become President. The fear is that some of the long standing bastion of young liberal women will like her style and, god forbid, see value in conservative thought. While I do believe she is smart and has a special appeal, I must admit that she is not Presidential material. Now to the point of her being smart, give up your personal insults as the ruse that it is. I challenge you out there in ArgueHow Land to compare your high intellect selves to this women. First, I submit that high intellect is correlated to personal accomplishments and wealth. Not to say that all smart people are rich and all dumb people are all poor. That is absurd, but certainly there is a pattern. So, from a personal accomplishment standpoint, stand up if you have ever been the nominee for the VP of the US. Stand up if you have ever been a state governor or simply the mayor of a small town. Stand up if your picture is on the cover of a book of any kind other than your family album, and keep standing if you have made millions of dollars off of the sales of that book. Stand up if you have ever been paid to make a speech to a large audience, let alone to the tune of $100,000. I’m guessing that not one out there is standing. One last challenge, stand up if you think with a couple of month of preparation you could go in front of a television audience of millions of people and appear totally calm and hold your own in a one-on-one debate with a lifelong career politician of the caliber of Joe Biden. Admit it. That collection of accomplishments constitutes the traits of a poised and smart women.


by allonzo1

A point for
The United States needs to devise a better strategy for dealing with terrorists

I agree there is a need for a better strategy. It seems our model of dealing with terrorists is aimed at fighting the last terrorist attack. Some noted members of the intelligence community have said the 9-11 attacks were in part due to a lack of imagination. That all being written, with all honesty and humility I must admit I do not know how to improve the strategy.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
People should be able to sell themselves into slavery

Before I can even begin to argue about this...I want to know a few things...
1) How did this idea come about?
2) Is this actually a reality somewhere?
3) Is this slavery for a person's entire life?
4) Do you have to be an adult?
5) If you are a slave you have no rights, so what prevents your owner from "subcontracting" to another person?
6) What about a medical crisis?
by Buscia

A point for
Offshore Drilling for oil and natural gas

first of all, Offshore means that it is not being drilled on land but on water via platform and being shipped back to the mainland via pipe, barge or ship. Oil is a petroleum product black in color occurring naturally in nature used in cars mainly but has a variety of uses. Natural gas is an odorless gas that occurs in nature used to heat many American homes, we as humans add odor to it so we can detect a leak.

Currently Americans are spending far to much on gas. Gas prices are soaring in parts of the country to upwards of 3 dollars a gallon. With the economy the way it is, and with fear of not knowing if you will lose your job, most Americans would much rather fill up their cars than go get medical treatment, why? Because they need to get to their place of business to keep their home and other essentials (food, water, cell phone bill). With the prices increasing there needs to be some sort of saving grace somewhere. we as Americans that consume the most oil than any other country out there and our oil production is slim to none. With offshore drilling we would finally be a contributing person. With contributing, we would bring the costs down in the United states.


Next i will show you my plan of action, All we need to do is increase the areas in which we are drilling. Currently the American government is leasing spots for drilling all over our shoreline, however they are limiting to certain areas. If we were to increase those areas, the gems of oil and natural gas would be ours for the taking. those little nuggets of gold would be just what the American people need in this recession, a little bit of a break at the pump. Not only would it help all Americans, but it would make us more independent of foreign oil. Also it would create numerous jobs. If new oil rigs are coming then we will need people to build the oil rigs, boats to take supplies out and then finally people to work on the rigs themselves. It is win win. With the creation of new jobs it will help ease the tensions at the pump.

Finally, i will let you know the costs of offshore drilling. Offshore drilling is fantastic for the American economy. With lowering the prices at the pump it also revitalizes the American spirit and will get people to start spending money again. with proper money flow into the economy it is a way to pull us out of the recession that we are in. With Americans spending more money and being able to buy more things i feel that it is a good thing. Now my opponents will bring up oil spills and how horrible for the environment. While very true, it is also a good thing for Americans because now there are even more jobs being created for oil drilling regulations as well as if a spill happens jobs to clean up the spills. With less money being spent on forign oil it will make the American economy that much better!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Premium Gasoline

It is just as good as regular, just with a huge mark up! It doesn't do anything special for the car!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Abortion

Human life begins at birth, or the third trimester at the earliest. Since there is no human life involved, there should be no restrictions on what a woman chooses to do with her body.
by egorz13

A point against
Abortion

Human life begins at conception. Humans at any stage of development are worthy of rights and protection.
by egorz13

A point against
Physician-assisted Suicide

We as a society have placed human dignity explicitly in the makeup of our country. The Declaration Of Independence lays out some of our inalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Accepting the voluntary forfeit of life is just as much an attack on our common heritage of human dignity as would the forfeiture of liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
by egorz13

A point for
Offshore Drilling for oil and natural gas

Even if it did not change prices, the money spent would be domestic and the billions of dollars spent would have an internal ripple effect on jobs and GDP. Also we would not be giving money to countries that do not have our interest at heart.
by allonzo1

A point against
Offshore Drilling for oil and natural gas

If an oil spill occurs then it would cause damage to the environment and kill wildlife.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Offshore Drilling for oil and natural gas

It would bring down the price for gas in America, which is always a good thing!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
The term "slut" in everyday speech.

I too agree that this word is extreamly derogatory. If you were to go and listen after a weekend in a highschool, you will understand this more. For the guys it is a hi-five, way to go if they slept around, whereas with a girl, it is "what a slut!"
by BeBe08

A point against
Evolution

Yoyokirby

What "experiment" are you referencing? i don't recall man creating a new species.
by allonzo1

A point for
Evolution

Evolution is a theory. A theory is a phenomenon in which an experiment can be repeated and yield the same results time after time. A scientific experiment can never result in fact, only theory. Another famous theory is gravity, which many of us regard as a fact. It's up to you to have faith in the scientists.
by YoyoKirby

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

For all those quoting dictionary entries, consider this from dictionary.com:
"re⋅li⋅gion
  /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice. "

Many of these certainly apply to atheism. Aside from the dictionary war, though, atheists make a guess just as much as theists make a guess about the nature of existence and the universe. Atheists certainly have dogma, i.e there is no god. And there are certainly atheist groups, e.g. humanists.
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to Mr. Huge from 1/11/10:
I think Ted Olsen is wrong. My objection is that marriage is about much more than two individuals. it is about creating family. I find the idea that society would care whether or not you love or are loved to be repugnant to my libertarian sensibilities. Why would society care (or even know) about two individuals loving one another. If they commit to each other and pool their interests, then good for them. No impact plus or minus on society. If two people cease to love each other, then too bad for them. But still no impact on society, they just start supporting themselves as they would have to do anyway. Two people "get together" and produce a child - now society starts to perk up a bit. Stay together, great; I hope you provide a good upbringing. Don't stay together, now society has to scramble to deal with the resulting issues.

I think that society has a compelling interest in how children are made, and that is the reason for a public institution and involvement. Others disagree. Ok, but then what is left as the compelling societal interest if not procreation? Love? Pooling of interests? Self esteem? Not very compelling in my book.
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

Also in response to Buscia from 1/3/10:
Banning marriages that either can't or choose not to produce children is an impossible, expensive, and distasteful policy in my opinion. I don't support it. I don't think it could ever work, I recoil from the idea of this kind of thing.
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to Buscia from 1/3/10:
I agree that marriage is about commitment and love - from the individual's perspective. And people can commit and love all day long whether or not society sanctions or recognizes them. I claim that the only reason society cares is that society has a compelling interest in procreation, and encouraging procreation in the least risky manner possible (i.e. marriage).
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to DClary from 12/7/09 (the one about marriage being a legal contract):
It's refreshing to hear your concession that the same sex marriage argument based on the marriage-is-just-another-contract line of thought opens the door to ANY combination. I think that many supporters of same sex marriage would part ways with you on that score (not that you need to answer for anyone else but yourself). So if you think that marriage is just another contract, then:
1) Why are we (society) in the business of marriage at all, with the licensing requirements, tax breaks, legal principles, assumptions etc.? Why not just have people - in any combination - form actual contracts to pool their interests? Leave love, children or any other consideration out of it that the parties involved don't specifically put in the contract.
2) What is your rationale for advocating same sex marriage when you really think that there shouldn't be ANY restrictions? Wouldn't it be more accurate for you to argue either for no restrictions at all or to argue for no marriage at all?
by egorz13

A point for
Rock, Paper, Scissors

Katzwinkel

I would like to thank you for your point against rock, paper, scissors. However your citation is wikipedia, which anyone can edit even yourself. everyone has their own sport no matter how asinine it may seem to you it may be very important to someone else. some people may think that pod-casts may be asinine, however it may be very important to someone else.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Windows 7

After running windows 7 for several weeks now, I thought that I would have issues with my laptop. Upon using my laptop i am becoming happier and happier. It seems as though that the issues with windows 7 are slim to none, so far. I am not one to want to trust Microsoft especially after the vista fiasco.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to DClary from 12/7/09 (the one about "framing" the issue:
My framing of the issue is intended to move the debate to where the conflict actually exists. I have no quarrel with equal protection under the law; I'm a big fan of the concept. That concept, though, doesn't mean that we have to disregard qualifications or essential duties of the job, so to speak. It doesn't mean that we have to award federal engineering contracts to accounting firms. The question, and the ensuing disagreement, is properly centered around what the essential qualifications really are and whether society has any compelling stake in the matter to begin with.
by egorz13

A point for
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Now in the age of twilight, Vampires are no longer blood sucking and scary. They are sweet and misunderstood. They are creatures that can be perfect and nice. That is not how they are supposed to be portrayed. They have also created more rules for vampires, no longer can you just drive a wooden steak through a vampires heart, you have to shred them and burn them to kill them forever. Zombies on the other hand have remained constant over the years and as a result have become far more scarier than any vampire could ever be even with the new rules.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
2012

I like to think that we are not living in the end of times. I find it funny for people to believe that the ancient Mayans have predicted the end of time. On December 21, 2012 nothing is going to happen just the same as at 12:00 am January 1st, 2000 nothing happened.

I also think that it is funny that people just expect a calendar to go on forever. After one year with your cute kittens calendar of 2009, did you freak out that the end of the world is coming? No they did not, so why when a different calendar decides to end do people think it necessary to start to freak out.

Now the Mayans were very good astronomers and could tell when certain astrological events were going to take place, this is fact. They integrated their calendar with astrological events. However, what if something else happened to the calendar maker. Perhaps he fell ill or even was killed. If that is the case then perhaps the calendar was supposed to go on for longer.

Like i stated before nothing is going to happen on December 21, 2012.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

otm_shank
Good for you. You actually made an argument and supported your position. We are making progress.
by allonzo1

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

You lay out your argument first in this: "My basic premise is that conservative thought is guided by deductive reasoning and liberal thought is governed by inductive reasoning." How are you not attempting to postulate that liberals use inductive reasoning in thought and conservatives use deductive reasoning in thought? I do not see how you can interpret your premise any other way.

My counter-premise is that sometimes the liberal thought process is guided by inductive reasoning, sometimes it is guided by deductive reasoning. In parallel, sometimes the conservative thought process is guided by inductive reasoning, sometimes it is guided by deductive reasoning. I gave you an example of how conservatives use inductive reasoning in everyday speech. To give you a more recent example one only has to look at the recent Mass. election. Conservatives are hailing Scott Brown's recent victory as indication to a referendum on Obama's policies. How is that not inductive reasoning? Furthermore, to counter your Egypt/terrorist remark, a typical conservative thinker would be more likely to conclude through inductive reasoning that all Muslims are terrorists and bent on western annihilation.

FWIW ... Obama's slogan was never "Hope and Change" but "Hope", "Change We Need", "Change We Can Believe In". Contrasting, a few of GWB's 2000 slogans included "Real Plans for Real People" and "Reformer with Results". All sweeping generalizations/inferences and just as 'inductive' as you would put it.

by otm_shank

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

I believe that i have made two points. First, since political views are so starkly and consistently diametric, i think that the difference lies in the thought process. Second, the liberal and conservative positions are guided by inductive and deductive reasoning, respectively. If somehow you have interpreted me to say that a person thinks one way and one way only, you have misinterpreted what i have said. A couple more examples. Obama's campaign slogan was " Hope and change." I don't think you will ever hear a conservative say that inductive phrase when it comes to politics. Obama, in my opinion is a major inductive thinker. He came into office with an immense amount of power. Again in my opinion, only an inductive thinker could belive that congress was the best place to craft his undefined vision of universal healtcare. Regarding national defense, only an inductive thinker could think that going to Egypt and labeling the US as a "torture nation" would improve the status of the US with the terrorists.

by allonzo1

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

To elwoodlaw. i agree that there are many elements that go into making political decisions, with gut instinct and prejudice being right up there on the top. What drivve me to conclude that the thought process is important is that positions on issues that are far different such as environment, national defense, welfare, and school systems can be predicted based on political persuation. This consistency in varied scenarios is the key to me.
by allonzo1

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

I am confused as to what you are trying to argue then. The obvious answer to what I think you are trying to argue is: sometimes liberals/conservatives use inductive reasoning and sometimes liberals/conservatives use deductive reasoning.

An example of conservative (and liberal) inductive reasoning is through the heavy use and manipulation of poll data.
by otm_shank

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.



otm_shank
you are correct in asserting that my argument is from inductive reasoning and that i am a conservative. I do not contend that people of either political persuasion are solely restricted to a single thought process. I truly enjoy inductive reasoning more, and i have put other such arguments on this web page. The most entertaining thought process is inductive. In fact that is why i suggest that most comics are liberal. Liberal, extrapolative humor, is much funnier than conservative humor.

by allonzo1

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

Your argument is based on inductive reasoning ... and are you not a conservative yourself?
by otm_shank

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

I think the flaw in the analysis put forward by allonzo1 is his/her assumption that people arrive at conclusions after following a well-reasoned process. Instead, I find more people seem to reach a conclusion based upon a gut instinct, prejudice, or other less than logical manner. Then they try to justify it afterward. The particular brand of reasoning, for the average voter, is probably irrelevant.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
2012

I already started this argument elsewhere...
by JackCNewell

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

Wow, Huge, don’t hold back. I do now get the quote, but must admit that I’m not an aficionado of Adam Sandler. I’ll take the quote, however as your opinion. Are you just closed minded or just so lost in your own dogma that you cannot appreciate new thoughts? I notice also that the quote speaks for the thoughts of others. This is a common tactic of the weak minded. Another tactic of the weak minded is to ignore the hypothesis and thrust ad hominem attacks rather than assert your own thesis, in this case, on how conservative and liberals can reach such diametrically opposed conclusions given the same set of facts. In addition I have to assume that your including the invocation of God in the quote is colloquial. I don’t take you as a God fearing man. Lastly, you should change your name to “Small.”
by allonzo1

A point against
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

Mr. Madison (allonzo1), what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Conservatism and liberalism are not just differences of opinion, but different ways of thought processing.

I have often marveled at stark differences in situation analyses and conclusions drawn by die hard conservative and liberals. I have concluded that the ultimate positions that are arrived at regarding a set of circumstances could not be solely based on beliefs and values. Moreover, there must be a basic difference in methods of processing information. I have done some research on this, but have come up empty for scholarly input. So, you will hear it here first. My basic premise is that conservative thought is guided by deductive reasoning and liberal thought is governed by inductive reasoning. I would like add that either type of thought is not right or wrong, but there are circumstances where one might be more appropriate than the other. I will submit one simple example of application and then open the discussion/argument. For example, liberal thought on welfare would start inside and extrapolate outward to a solution. That is they would look at the individuals and conclude from their analysis of selected individuals that on a personal level, if certain persons that they know were just given a break, everything would be alright. The solution is to give them any help they need and they will become productive. A conservative would start on the outside and see that billions of dollars have been provided to the underprivileged and the problem not gotten any better. They would not personalize their observations, but look inward to see trends and groupings. In their observations they would see legions of able bodied people choosing to take welfare instead of working for low pay. They would also see a whole class of welfare people who have been trapped in the system. The conservative solution is to limit welfare and make the able bodied work regardless of how they suffer by staying unproductive.
by allonzo1

A point against
Fire

an untimely fire can cause pain and suffering to anyone involved. A house fire can take all your possessions and destroy them in seconds. You can put a price on material objects, however the memories that those objects represents, can never be replaced.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
2012

Now if you ask me the same question at 2am after watching Armageddon Week on the History channel I will have a whole different opinion! :)
by Buscia

A point against
2012

Many, many times the end of the world has been predicted and has not happened. There seems to be a lot of hype on this subject. Words written by Nostradamus and others are so cryptic that any number of interpretations can be stated.
by Buscia

A point for
Avatar: The Movie

I have to say the title could have been Pocahontas In Outer Space and I could spend a great deal of time punching holes in the story line, but I do not think that literary classic was the purpose of this movie. It was a wonderful bombardment of visual entertainment. I enjoyed the special effects and the bold colors. Sometimes movies are just for entertainment.
by Buscia

A point for
British Humour

Not all British humor is dry. If you are interested in two excellent British shows I recommend "Coupling" and "The IT Crowd." Both shows are very funny and worth your time.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Movies and TV in 3D

The recent reintroduction of 3d is similar to the switch from black and white to color. I am sure that some directors will be able to use 3d in effective ways to better express ideas/emotions/concepts then would otherwise be possible in 2d, and some will simply use 3d as a crutch to compensate for poor artistic vision and/or weak writing.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Avatar: The Movie

Just because a movie is predictable doesn’t mean it is bad (Road to Perdition). I agree the writing could have been better, and that some of the characters were one dimensional, but on the whole the move had a nice pace and kept me engaged.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Movies and TV in 3D

You get movies like Avatar (in 3D) that people think is good, when it's just a flavor of the week.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Avatar: The Movie

The CGI in this film was not enough to keep me from writhing in my seat at the way the story was told. The story didn't just blow goats, it was so contrived and so obvious. When you can sit down in a movie and know exactly what is going to happen, and have no surprises along the way then you have an unsuccessful film.
by JackCNewell

A point for
British Humour

Monty Python revolutionized sketch comedy. SNL, Second City, The State, Upright Citizen's Brigade, etc. etc., would not exist without them. Holy Grail remains one of the most quotable movies ever, even after 35 years.
by DClary

A point against
10 Best Picture Academy Awards

Every year a group of my friends and I would see all five movies in one day. In fact, the movie theatre I regularly attend ran a special where all five could be seen for a single discounted price. That is unlikely to occur again. Also, in the past several years there have been some really terrible movies that were in the top five. With ten movies nominated, the stinkers will grow greater than proportionately. Now we can have at least three more Benjamin Buttonsesque suck-fests.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

just a couple of applicable cliches: first, "if the shoe fits, wear it.," and second, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........it's a duck."
by allonzo1

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

@allonzo1

First, I think your Hitler point was in response to DClary's argument since you are going after his 'codified dogma' statement. I am not touching your Hitler argument in any way, shape or form.

Second, my position is that in the context of structured, ritualized religion, atheism is not a religion. We are also all atheist in some shape or form.

Lastly, you seem to be upset when others disagree with your logic and the points you are trying to make. In my opinion, I think your arguments are filled with holes, absurd logic and primarily written from your stream of consciousness without much afterthought or organization. That is my opinion. To claim we are 'pot shotters' is incredible considering the fact that you condense so many claims into one posting that we have no choice but to address them individually. To accuse us of not having facts or opinions of our own is idiotic and ironic to say the least. Again, this is arguehow.com ... there will be people who disagree with you and call you out on things. No need to get offended.
by otm_shank

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

Like Michael Corleone said, "just when I thought I was out.........they pull me back in." Having participated in this web experiment for while now, i have made a startling observation. This is that there is a common technique used in philosophical arguments by people who have no particular facts or opinions of there own to offer. I think these people could be characterized as "pot shotters." Rather than taking the whole of the discussion/argument they take little snippets and twist them around in attempt to paint a false restatement of the other person's position. Remarkably, they apparently believe that this effort proves their point! For example, Krista17 directly addresses my entries and makes her first point by providing a definition that incorporates "a belief in a supernatural creator" to disprove the premise. Surprise, Krist17, there are more than one definition of religion. Also, i have made it clear that i am not arguing semantics, but function. Her second point is actually my premise, and i agree with it. Depending upon how one approaches any activity, it can functionally become a religion to them. If a person's whole life was poured into working on model trains, and they immersed themselves into it, preached the greatness of it and make it their life's passion, guess what, model trains would be their religion! lastly, my reference to Hitler, this was in response to otm_shank's statement that there is no dogma for atheism. The reference to Darwin's book was only an aside to show the passion that some people have on the subjection. Furthermore, Krista17 then proceeds to support my point by drawing a parallel between what is said and ill effect of other religions.
by allonzo1

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?


My comments on some of Allonzo1's comments:

1.)By definition a "religion" is based on belief in a supernatural creator therefore atheism is not a religion.
2.) Yes, many atheists are zealots and dogmatic, but not all bodies of thought which are dogmatic are considered "religions." By that logic, communism is a religion as is the Atkin's diet, etc.
3.) Hitler used Darwin's Survival to justify the master race, wow. Not relevant to the topic, but note that people have used the Christian bible to justify mass killings as well (the crusades, witch hunts).
by Krista17

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

Ted Olsen, a "conservative" lawyer fighting for Gay Marriage, had this to say on why he took the case:

"Many of my fellow conservatives have an almost knee-jerk hostility toward gay marriage. This does not make sense, because same-sex unions promote the values conservatives prize. Marriage is one of the basic building blocks of our neighborhoods and our nation. At its best, it is a stable bond between two individuals who work to create a loving household and a social and economic partnership. We encourage couples to marry because the commitments they make to one another provide benefits not only to themselves but also to their families and communities. Marriage requires thinking beyond one’s own needs. It transforms two individuals into a union based on shared aspirations, and in doing so establishes a formal investment in the well-being of society. The fact that individuals who happen to be gay want to share in this vital social institution is evidence that conservative ideals enjoy widespread acceptance. Conservatives should celebrate this, rather than lament it."
by Mr. Huge

A point for
The Courtesy Flush

I do not even think ther should be an argument about this...just flush the toilet!!!
by Buscia

A point for
Evolution

"I just don't claim evolution to be a science, nor do the experts."

What experts are claiming evolution not to be a science? Aside from a select few that still cling to their ardent religious beliefs, I would argue that the majority of 'experts' would not balk at stating that evolution is science.

"What i have pointed out is that on a molecular level, science cannot explain why these molecules act like organisms carrying out tasks."

1. Yes, obviously science cannot explain everything we observe today. That is a given. However, science CAN already explain much of what we observe today - more than you seem to give credit to. Furthermore, science will provide the solutions to the problems and questions we have today in the future. That is the essence of the scientific method.

2. Intelligent design most certainly does not explain on a molecular level why organisms behave as they do. I will state again that ID is as far away from the scientific method as one can get. Not only is ID not a solution nor verifiable, but it opens up a slew of other ridiculous problems on its own. Furthermore, because an organism appears to be operating with 'intelligent' guile does not make it so. Applying the construct of 'intelligence' further increases the problem as we must then define what is intelligence and in what context is this intelligence in. ID is similar to how Norse cultures explained the existence and circumstances of thunder and lighting.

3. Evolutionary studies (biological, classical, etc), like any science, is a constantly progressing endeavor. Yes, there are issues within the community regarding how complex processes work, however, this does not signify nor does anyone imply that the solution therefore defaults to a 'designer'. It also does not reduce the fact that organisms are constantly evolving through the process of natural selection. Again, natural selection allows for the immense species diversification we witness today and provides an elegant mechanism as to how we arrived at this given moment without the need of a third-party designer.
by otm_shank

A point against
Evolution

otm_shank

I think we are like trains passing in the night. You repeatedly misstate my position. I have never said that I have rejected evolution as a theory. I just don't claim evolution to be a science, nor do the experts. What i have pointed out is that on a molecular level, science cannot explain why these molecules act like organisms carrying out tasks. Current science does not even attempt to explain why this happens. As i mentioned about inorganic chemistry, there are reams of electronegativity tables that help predict reactions, but nothing exists to explain why a single molecule in a cell will perform a task.
by allonzo1

A point for
Evolution

@allonzo1

You dismiss evolution in your arguments against by claiming it not to be based on science.

My stance has always been that evolution is science. That it is the best and most elegant solution to the question of life and how we arrived at this given point. As I have already stated, it may not be the final nail in the coffin but it sure is going in that direction. I urge you to read more on this topic. I gave you the term modern evolutionary synthesis as a starting point for your own research.

As for, ID, it is a non-alternative and non-solution. Again, it is pure speculation and mysticism. Your argument fails because you dismiss evolution on grounds for it not being science (in your opinion), yet the 'solution' you offer is the farthest from science as one can possibly get (which you openly embrace).

However, given that ID is NOT science and according to your stance on evolution, ID must also then be rejected by yourself (which you seem not to do). Do you not see the conflict in your arguments? You reject one for not being science and in turn give us one that is out loud laughably, most definitely not science - and on what grounds? - because you just believe.

Yes we are all curious about the world around us. Which is why many of us seek careers, hobbies, interests in science. What we don't do is let superstition and mysticism muddle our view of reality. Give us an alternative against evolution that is grounded, not on late night musings over life.
by otm_shank

A point against
Richard "Dick" Cheney

Cheney is the master of talking big from a distance. Five deferments himself, yet the fastest to pull up the grunts and the weekend warrior reservists for the front line.
by otm_shank

A point for
Richard "Dick" Cheney

From what I know of the man, he is not afraid to say precisely what he believes and has yet to be caught in a waffle, a flip-flop or a gaffe (unless you count the hunting incident and the DC Madam, but those weren't really political maneuvers). His words are concrete and there is no doubt as to where he stands. Whether or not you agree with the things he says, there is something to admire in an old politician who doesn't dance around trying to look good.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
10 Best Picture Academy Awards

The Awards ceremony is long enough as it is.
by LA_Mike

A point for
10 Best Picture Academy Awards

It's a way for more good films to get exposure to a wider audience.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Twitter

twitter gives people an outlets into their lives, and specifically how living at home may be!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

I have enjoyed Tarantino films in the past, and to some degree I enjoyed this one. In the other films that I can recall, the actions of the characters affected a smaller group of people. They did not change the course of history. Since he choose to have his characters make such an impact on his fictional history, I think he did so for a purpose. It appears to me that the larger question he poses is, "Can a small amount of barbaric behavior be justified if it averts the death of hundreds of thousands of people?" I have not done an exhaustive search of reviews of this movie. So, maybe this has already been addressed. If so, i would be interested in reading about it.
by allonzo1

A point against
Evolution

otm-shank

It seems like deja vou all over again. The only conflict in my positions is in your mind. Where does any knowledgeable source say that evolution is anything but a theory, and when did i dismiss it? Also, with regard to ID, i have described it as the best explanation available for the design and origin of the universe. Apparently, you don't like to be confronted with the mysteries of the universe, whether it be life of chemical design. Aren't you a just a little curious about these matters beyond a Walter Cronkite, "Well, that's the way it is."
by allonzo1

A point for
Physician-assisted Suicide

Prevention of suicide is a violation of religious freedom. A significant part of religious beliefs involves what happens in the afterlife. By preventing suicide, the government is imposing its religious belief that suicide is a sin. No one knows for sure what happens after we die; it should be up to the individual to determine what he or she believes. The government cannot legislate morality.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Physician-assisted Suicide

Insurance companies may put undue pressure on doctors to avoid heroic measures or recommend the assisted-suicide procedure. Health insurance providers are under tremendous pressure to keep premiums down. To do this, they must cut costs at every turn and make tough decisions. Many doctors are already prevented from give patients certain tests or performing certain operations despite what the doctor believes is truly necessary. Legalizing assisted suicide would likely invite another set of procedures as to when life-sustaining measures should be undertaken. We shouldn't give the insurance companies any more power over human life.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Physician-assisted Suicide

Health care costs can be reduced, which would save estates and lower insurance premiums. Most people who pay regular premiums on health care have noticed a major increase in costs over the last decade. Some workers around the country are going on strike simply to protest the increase in health care costs. We regularly debate how to provide cheaper prescription drugs, care for the uninsured, and fight the skyrocketing costs. Anything we can do to reduce that burden helps. Consider the huge cost of keeping a dying patient alive for several months. You must pay for x-rays, lab tests, drugs, hospital overhead, medical staff salaries, etc. It is not unheard of for medical costs to equal $50,000-100,000 to keep some patients alive. We have to ask ourselves, is this the best way to spend our money when the patient himself would like to die? Wouldn't the money be better spent on the patients that can be saved? You also have to consider the drag on a dying patient's estate. Most people want to be able to leave their children and grandchildren with something when they die. Medical costs eat into that estate. It's totally unreasonable to pour this kind of money into patients that just want to end their suffering.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Physician-assisted Suicide

Insurance companies may put undue pressure on doctors to avoid heroic measures or recommend the assisted-suicide procedure. Health insurance providers are under tremendous pressure to keep premiums down. To do this, they must cut costs at every turn and make tough decisions. Many doctors are already prevented from give patients certain tests or performing certain operations despite what the doctor believes is truly necessary. Legalizing assisted suicide would likely invite another set of procedures as to when life-sustaining measures should be undertaken. We shouldn't give the insurance companies any more power over human life.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Physician-assisted Suicide

Tremendous pain and suffering of patients can be saved. Numerous ailments such as certain types of cancer result in a slow, agonizing death. Doctors have enough knowledge and experience to know when a patient's days are numbered. What purpose would it serve to suffer endlessly until the body finally gives out? Imagine what it would be like to spend six months vomiting, coughing, enduring pain spasms, losing control of excretory functions, etc. Then you must consider the psychological suffering; i.e. the knowledge that a patient knows he's definitely going to die and the pain is only going to get worse. Wouldn't it be more humane to give the patient the option to say when he's had enough?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Evolution

"i really can't argue with your points, basically because they don't make any sense. "

Have you re-read anything you have posted by any chance? In one round your argue for ID and immediately in another you dismiss evolution on the grounds that you do not consider it science. How is that making any sense?

"Arguing is much more that just taking what the other person says, twisting it, and restating it in an erroneous manner."

I am arguing against the logic of your speculations. Your arguments conflict even against themselves. If you want to complain that I am twisting words, well, so be it I suppose.

"Take a chill pill and get a life!"

Way to get offended on a web site that is dedicated to arguing.

"Another clear observation is that you have virtually no knowledge beyond newspaper articles about general chemistry or physics, let alone a field as complicated as molecular biology."

Well, I guess we can go on making assumptions all day long.
by otm_shank

A point for
Inglorius Bastards

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of a Tarantino film but I certainly got what I expected and LOVED it. "Basterds" is a film buff's homage to a great American movie genre. The guy wanted to make a WWII flick with his own unique spin on it and he succeeded. Christoph Waltz's character alone is worth the admission (or rental for that matter).
by LA_Mike

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

So other than an escape from reality.what was the point? were these good guys or bad guys? If this sort of behavior could have ended the war earlier, was that a good thing? Was this sort of behavior common place during WWII? There must have been one over riding theme, but i am still missing it.
by allonzo1

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

Having met some wonderful and loving same sex couples, I see know no reason for there not to be a union between these people. The traditional marriage is suppose to be two be united in love. . A commitment to stay together for a long term relationship is a marriage! So why not make it legal.

I can not see how our Creator in His infinite wisdom would condemn the love of two people. Those who are ready to quote the Bible and state that marriage should always and only be male and female....well they are usually the same that are sure that anyone who does not fit into their "pretty little box" must come to their way of thinking or burn in hell.

As for the argument that marriage should produce children, there are many couples who purposely choose not to have children, should these marriages be banned?



by Buscia

A point for
Avatar: The Movie

I have never been so immersed in such rich, deep, intricate and realistic computer effects. The story blows goats, but if you're into CGI, you may find some enjoyment there.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Avatar: The Movie

Call it "Dances With Wolves 2: Electric Boogaloo" and call it a day.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Inglorius Bastards

More than a few of the scenes exhibited the playfully intricate dialogue that Tarantino fans have come to love, though I wouldn't say that the dialogue was enough to carry the wonky story arc.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

The film has met some criticism from Jewish press. In Tablet, Liel Liebowitz criticizes the film as lacking moral depth. He argues that the power of film lies in its ability to impart knowledge and subtle understanding, but Inglourious Basterds serves more as an "alternative to reality, a magical and Manichean world where we needn’t worry about the complexities of morality, where violence solves everything, and where the Third Reich is always just a film reel and a lit match away from cartoonish defeat".
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

British critic Peter Bradshaw stated he was "struck... by how exasperatingly awful and transcendentally disappointing it is". Author and critic Daniel Mendelsohn was disturbed by the portrayal of Jewish-American soldiers mimicking German atrocities done to European Jews, stating, "In Inglourious Basterds, Tarantino indulges this taste for vengeful violence by—well, by turning Jews into Nazis".
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Inglorius Bastards

Critic James Berardinelli gave the film his first 4/4 star review of 2009, stating, "With Inglourious Basterds, Quentin Tarantino has made his best movie since Pulp Fiction," and that it was "one hell of an enjoyable ride." Roger Ebert also gave the film a four-star review, writing that "Quentin Tarantino’s 'Inglourious Basterds' is a big, bold, audacious war movie that will annoy some, startle others and demonstrate once again that he’s the real thing, a director of quixotic delights." Anne Thompson of Variety praised the film, but opined that it was not a masterpiece, claiming, "Inglourious Basterds is great fun to watch, but the movie isn't entirely engaging... You don't jump into the world of the film in a participatory way; you watch it from a distance, appreciating the references and the masterful mise-en-scene. This is a film that will benefit from a second viewing".
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

It was as though somebody said, "I bet Quentin Tarantino could make the most God-awful movie of the year and still rake in millions of dollars." Which he did; but he hedged his bets by making the whole movie about murdering Nazis.

It was ten scant months between shooting the first scene and the theatrical release, and you can tell.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Cochlear implants

I have heard that the deaf community frowns upon these implants. They state they re a community with a language and rich culture.
by Buscia

A point for
Cochlear implants

This is a hearing world, so any opportunity should be given to a child or adult to be taken into consideration.
by Buscia

A point against
Inglorius Bastards

I did not get it. Someone please explain the point of the picture.
by allonzo1

A point against
Full Body Scanners in Airports

Air travel is already safe, against terrorists and otherwise. If anything, we should be more concerned with pilot and mechanic screening than passenger screening.

The odds of being on a plane with a terrorist indicent? 1 in 10.4 million.
The odds of being on a plane that crashes through pilot or mechanical error? 1 in 1.13 million.
The odds of being struck by lightning? 1 in 0.5 million.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Evolution

Again, otm_shank, you have missed the point. Modern Evolutionary Synthesis is a term that generally predates molecular biology. Also, its updated spin off "theories" it have nothing at all to do with the driving forces among reaction. I'm talking about the mechanism in the cell that no one even attempts to explain. My point in my first entry was that the actions of molecules in inorganic chemistry can be generally explained by one driving force, electronegativity; but still, inorganic chemistry is very complex. Within cells there are operations, i.e. the movement of the strands f DNA, the splitting of the bonds in the DNA one-by-on, and ad infinitum. These things are just assumed to be given within the "design" of chemistry............Also, just something to consider. Arguing is much more that just taking what the other person says, twisting it, and restating it in an erroneous manner.
by allonzo1

A point against
Evolution

otm_shank

i really can't argue with your points, basically because they don't make any sense. When did i say that ID was really anything more that the best explanation for a very unlike set of circumstances? " Another clear observation is that you have virtually no knowledge beyond newspaper articles about general chemistry or physics, let alone a field as complicated as molecular biology.

Also, "plead insanity? Take a chill pill and get a life!
by allonzo1

A point for
Evolution

"Evolution as a theory - yes. Evolution as a science - no way!"

If we are to accept your position that evolution is just a theory and not science, what does that make of your position on intelligent design? Does that not also make intelligent design just a theory and not science as well? In which case, your current position negates your prior arguments regarding intelligent design and we can throw out all of your ID claims - unless we are to suppose that your actual position is that intelligent design is science? If such is the case, I will go ahead and assume you will be pleading insanity. If you stipulate that neither are science, then we enter the speculation black hole in which you can dismiss anything at whim and the only question is, where do we stop? As such, your only logical position is to accept that evolution is science and instead provide us with non-speculative, scientific evidence which repudiates evolution to back your arguments.
by otm_shank

A point for
Evolution

"What drives these proteins to act like intelligent operators?"

Modern Evolutionary Synthesis.

"Finally, studying rocks, fossils, and tree diagrams of species is the study of history not science and certainly not enlightening on how new species came into being."

Studying fossil records is not enlightening to how species evolve and came into being? Really? So for your argument, you simply are doing away with all fossil records and all of Earth's prior organic inhabitants of the past several billion years? That is pretty convenient wouldn't you say? I definitely got a kick out of your "implied study of evolution."

by otm_shank

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

Atheism is a state of awareness and repudiation of a given set of dogma. It is not a religion in the same structure of ritualized belief systems such as those that are being implied here (Christianity, et al). All individuals are atheist in some form or another. Christians are atheists in respect to all other gods aside from the god of Abraham. Disregarding a few eccentrics, modern individuals are atheist in respect to Odin, Thor, Ra, Zeus, Athena, Quetzalcoatl, -insert deity here-, etc. Hence, all individuals can claim to be atheist.
by otm_shank

A point against
Tiger Woods

I have never been one to idolize athletes, but i admit that i did put Tiger on a pedestal. Certainly it had a lot to do what elwoodlaw-for points out, but more with the fact that he appeared to be a great human being. It is obvious now, however that he is the fraud described by elwoodlaw-against. He profited greatly as a result of a manufactured and terribly false image. There is few things as repulsive to me as being conned, and Tiger is truly a con artist. Tiger also road the wave of fan support, and i believe that benefits an athlete greatly. I think he will never be the golfer he was before this incident, and i will never cheer him on again.
by allonzo1

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

Godwin's Law - I like that. Sia-nara.
by allonzo1

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

_The Origin of Species_ was not a theological book in any way, nor was it ever intended to be. In fact, Darwin was a devout Christian and was deeply troubled by the implications of his work as it related to the Christian creation story. Also, Godwin's Law dictates that this topic is now over since you invoked Hitler.
by DClary

A point against
Evolution

Evolution as a theory - yes. Evolution as a science - no way!
I get a kick out of spazol, regarding his implied studying of evolution. To put the study of evolution in perspective, I submit the following. Arguably the most difficult courses in undergrad chemistry and chemical engineering are Physical Chemistry and Kinetics, respectively. These courses essentially deal with determining equilibrium points of inorganic chemical reactions under various conditions such as pH, temperature, and the presence of like anions and cations in solution. The driving force for reaction is electronegative forces. With that said, Organic reactions are often too complex to predict and reactions in molecular biology can only be predicted based on observation. Evolution, or lack thereof, is about what happens in cells on the molecular biological level. I have read a fair amount about DNA and RNA, and the many proteins and amino acids that are present in cells; and still I come up with a virtual blank understanding. I will comment that molecular biology is a fascinating read and a more fascinating visual experience to see. (check resources for animation of cell division) A opposed to inorganic reactions where atoms act like little magnets being attracted and repelled, molecular biology in cell is like a factory with scores of independent workers carrying out independent tasks. What drives these proteins to act like intelligent operators? This is among the many probing questions to ask. Finally, studying rocks, fossils, and tree diagrams of species is the study of history not science and certainly not enlightening on how new species came into being.

by allonzo1

A point against
Bestiality

All I can say is --Huh?
by allonzo1

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

No codified dogma?? You must be kidding. Try searching the internet for "Books on Atheism" and see the repetitive dogma in the titles and the attacks on the belief in God. The first web page i looked at touted at least 20 books and a dozen more web links. And we dare not forget the all time reference guide to atheism, "The Origin of the Species" that helped Hitler justify his master race ambitions and his attempted genocide of the Jews.
by allonzo1

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

i guess when something is very simple, it has to be repeated. As i said, atheists display all of the zeal in spreading their dogma as any religious advocate. I am not necessarily arguing semantics, but reality. the court has recognized that atheism should be treated as a religion because advocates want to study and practice behavior that is emblematic of their beliefs. (Get your "ducks" in a row.") With that said, i stand by Webster's third definition, again as previously stated. Religion is a "doctrine of custom accepted on faith."
by allonzo1

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

Alonso: Your “news” article is misleading, please read the actual opinion linked to below. The Court does inquire as to whether atheism is a religion, but only insofar as that designation may provide protection under the First Amendment. The Court writes about how a person’s sincerely held beliefs dealing with issues of "ultimate concern" occupy a place parallel to that filled by God in traditionally religious persons. “[W]hen the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all.” Therefore, the Court is not stating that atheism is a religion, but rather that atheism must be protected as is it was a religion.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

Atheism is an ideology, but not a religion. It has no codified dogma (no "bible", as it were), nor is it an organized institution. If its adherents seem to act in ways similar to religious people, that is only because they feel their ideology is under attack. Just as some people feel the need to defend or justify their faith, some atheists see the need to defend the lack thereof in predominantly religious societies.
by DClary

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck........it's a duck.

I don't necessarily rely on the court system for decisions on subjective issues, but i submit that at least someone else believes atheism is a religion. (see the reference and below)

WND LAW OF THE LAND
Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group
Posted: August 20, 2005
1:00 am Eastern

"A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion. "
by allonzo1

A point against
Twitter

Almost as bad as texting in that it reduces communication to half syllable abbreviated grunts. The really scary part is that many users have a hard time using 140 characters. I may read an author's blog. I will not follow the tweets.
by Uklamok

A point against
Twitter

Anyone who when I ask "What have you been up to", tells me to check out their Twitter page, is no friend of mine.
by coolio12

A point for
The Courtesy Flush

The loos I used in India did not even have a flush, so with the memory of no flush in mind, I have to say all flushing, regular, even obsessive flushing, is fine by me.
by coolio12

A point for
Ambiguous Bathroom Signage

As the loos are often hidden out of sight , I usually have to ask someone where they are anyway, in which case the staff direct you to the right one, so the picture is not important.
by coolio12

A point against
Is Atheism a Religion?

Definition of religion is;

# a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
# an institution to express belief in a divine power;

So atheis can not be considered a religion as an atheist by definition does not believe in supernatural or divine power/control
by coolio12

A point against
E-Cigarettes

The liquid nicotine is not good if got on the skin, that includes the lips and my personal experience has been alot of lip sores. I think this is from some of the liquid nicotine seeping without vapourising.
by coolio12

A point for
Home Schooling

Because the American public school system is the nicest prison system in the world.
by Jeremy

A point for
Nikon Digital SLRs

For a poor college student like me, a $400 Nikon D40(or 3000(which isn't as good and costs a little more)) is pretty much the only option when it comes to cannon vs nikon.
by Jeremy

A point for
Ambiguous Bathroom Signage

I really do not care what sign they put up. I'm going in the one with the urinals. If women see urinals they are in the wrong place. Its a mistake you make once, maybe twice if alcohol is involved. So let the curtains match the drapes.
by Uklamok

A point for
Intelligent design

I have looked over the entries below and think maybe we are beating a dead horse. Nothing entered in the "against" column has made any impact in my beliefs and am guessing vice-versa. Any more discussion would be tedius for me and we are getting close to just lobbing insults. i have enjoyed the discussion and i wish you all a Merry Christmas.
by allonzo1

A point against
Ambiguous Bathroom Signage

It’s cool that some establishments want to be a little different and have a stylized bathroom sign to match the décor of the rest of the bar/club/restaurant, rather than the generic (and, to a degree, sexist) silhouette placards, but making people solve puzzles when they are inebriated and have to urinate (or worse) is just asking for trouble. The next time I have to compare the two bathroom symbols to figure out which door I should enter, I’m just going to pee in the hallway.
by froggerus

A point for
Facebook

Facebook updates have helped Frogger strengthen his third-person writing skills.
by froggerus

A point for
Facebook

Facebook updates have helped Frogger strengthen his third-person writing skills.
by froggerus

A point against
Ambiguous Bathroom Signage

It’s cool that some establishments want to be a little different and have a stylized bathroom sign to match the décor of the rest of the bar/club/restaurant, rather than the generic (and, to a degree, sexist) silhouette placards, but making people solve puzzles when they are inebriated and have to urinate (or worse) is just asking for trouble. The next time I have to compare the two bathroom symbols to figure out which door I should enter, I’m just going to pee in the hallway.
by froggerus

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank
Interesting response, but we are still not communicating. You keep referencing natural selection, but you are wrong in asserting that natural selection applies to a one time event, i.e. the creation of the universe and its chemical and physical law. The predominant theory is that the universe was created once when time began, and it will continue to expand with never changing laws. So, you can throw your natural selection out the window. Addressing a couple of other points: (1) the Teapot thing - i am not asserting something i cannot see i am describing hard and concrete (pardon the pun) facts and looking for an answer. As i prefer to have answers or at least hypotheses. (2) Advance civilization without limestone - i believe that i have answered this. So if you don't like my, provide one of your own. My greater point lies in events that involve the limitations of our chemical building blocks. So, please spare me the "man would have found a different way" thing and also spare me the "you don't understand natural selection" thing as well. i think it is you that doesn't understand. Apparently you cannot discern the difference between natural selection and a string of consecutive events in a one time series.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

"I built my position on providing a number of abnormalities or unique arrangements in chemical and physics laws that i don't think many people have pondered. You have argued well by either diminishing or ignoring altogether what i have said"

No, I have not ignored anything you have said. Natural selection provides the solution - and does so quite well - to what you observe within the context of existence. You choose to side-step the rational explanation of the phenomenons you put forth by providing speculation on mysticism and supernatural creators. I ask for evidence on positions that you propose, such as your statement that limestone is a law of advanced societies or evidence that the existence of wood allowed for shelters which results in ID. I still have not received any of this.

"Debates consist of more than just saying that the opposing side is wrong, but providing reasonable answers to support one's own side."

You have yet to provide ANY reasonable arguments in support of ID (your own position). The only statements you put forth are a stream of consciousness regarding your musings and speculations on everyday experiences and organic matter. You further continue to ignore the tea pot argument and ask where is our proof that ID is false, despite the fact that this is your discussion topic, which you postulated. Speculation is not a reasonable argument in favor of ID.

"Since no proof can be provided by neither you nor me, i am looking for the most reasonable answer."

You seek supernatural explanations and mysticism, how is this reasonable? Natural selection is currently the only rational solution to the problem of existence and as I have stated many times before, is quite elegant. Is it the last word? No, of course not. A more rational, verifiable solution may still crop up. However, as natural selection continues to stand up to criticism and not falter, I find this more and more unlikely as we progress in time. Again, you seem to confuse chance occurrences with natural selection and it seems to be further solidifying mysticism in your statements. Natural selection is not chance.

"If faith is believing in what one cannot see, then in my opinion it take more "faith" to believe that this all happened by accident than by an ID alternative."

Bill Maher says it best, "Faith means making a virtue of not thinking."

Fundamentally, you are presenting arguments based on subjectivity and speculation. I've asked for evidence to your positions and propose natural selection as the solution of how we arrived at this given moment. Natural selection is verifiable, peer reviewable, rational and based on the scientific method. Not only is ID as irrational as Xenu (see Scientology), it also presents more unsolvable problems than answers. It is a non-alternative.

Furthermore, how does ID answer the question of whether or not life is by accident (or not)? This would bring up yet another slew of problems in that one is speaking for and is in personal contact with the given designer(s). Last time this came about we were greeted with Mormonism and Scientology. Conveniently 'intelligent' designer(s) seem to speak English. Just because you believe this isn't all by accident doesn't make it so.
by otm_shank

A point for
Is Atheism a Religion?

Atheist display all of the same zeal and biases to support their position as do those of any "Religion." Also, the third definition in Webster's for religion is, "doctrine of custom accepted on faith." Like Blood Sweat and Tears said, "i swear there ain't no heaven, and I pray there ain't no Hell."
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank

I'll have to give you credit for being a good arguer. I withhold comment on your debating skills. My premise is that with all of the obvious and mysterious coincidences that are built in to a one time creation of the universe there comes a point in improbability that a rational person will question whether or not this incredible balance of nature is all by accident. I built my position on providing a number of abnormalities or unique arrangements in chemical and physics laws that i don't think many people have pondered. You have argued well by either diminishing or ignoring altogether what i have said, and going on the offensive bysaying that i have to prove my position or you are right. Debates consist of more than just saying that the opposing side is wrong, but providing reasonable answers to support one's own side. I don't see it that your way. Since no proof can be provided by neither you nor me, i am looking for the most reasonable answer. If faith is believing in what one cannot see, then in my opinion it take more "faith" to believe that this all happened by accident than by an ID alternative.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@allonzo1

"Let me see if i have got this right. Since we do not know whether Celestial Katzwinkel is the origin of the unverse or who might have created Celestial Katzwinkel, then we have not recourse but to conclude that Celestial Katzwinkel does not exist. I would like to see a Boolean on that one."

Are you then suggesting that the Celestial Katzwinkel was created out of nothing? In which case, why do we need the CK then? Why not eliminate the CK? Could not the known universe have been created out of nothing from the Big Bang bypassing the CK then?

If you are suggesting that the CK was not created out of nothing, that means a further being/action created the CK. Repeat infinitely.
by otm_shank

A point against
Intelligent design

@allonzo1

That's great that you are in awe of nature. However, the fact that you yourself cannot explain events in nature does not automatically mean reality defaults to a supernatural creator or whatever your current flavor of supernatural creation myths is. We can speculate all day as you are doing, however, this defeats entirely the purpose of this site and makes a mockery of debate. If you can default all arguments to "You just have to believe.", "It's faith." or "I can't explain it, so it must be ID." then what is the point? It is apparent that you are afflicted with the same problem as all creationists: speculate until we are all blue in the face.

"Apparently you think that man can just come up with raw materials just out of necessity."

This assertion was never made by anyone. Again, you fail to understand the process of natural selection.

"But let's not dwell on just limestone. Tell me about carbon and the rain cycle."

Tell you about rain and carbon? How on Earth is this evidence for ID? Again, you dismiss Katzwinkel's tea pot argument and again you simply make comments regarding the minutiae of daily life of Earth. Rain cycles and carbon exists there for it's ID? Oh really? Provide ANY evidence to this assertion that isn't entirely speculative.

Now we have come full cycle back to your original arguments. Wood exists ergo ID. Cement exists ergo ID, etc, etc, etc. Where is the solution to the infinite loop problem? Where is the dismantling of all other creation myths?

Your entire argument boils down to this: "I am in awe of nature. I can not explain why limestone (insert anything organic here) exists the way it is. Eureka, it must be ID."

You just have to believe, aye?

by otm_shank

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank

Let me see if i have got this right. Since we do not know whether Celestial Katzwinkel is the origin of the unverse or who might have created Celestial Katzwinkel, then we have not recourse but to conclude that Celestial Katzwinkel does not exist. I would like to see a Boolean on that one.
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank

It is apparent that you are afflicted by the same problem that many critics of ID suffer. You have very little understanding of the chemistry and the limitations of the chemical building blocks. Apparently you think that man can just come up with raw materials just out of necessity. There are no substitutes for calcium as derived from limestone as it is used in construction. Limestone as blocks and later as a source of cement was critical in taking man past one story single dwellings. Another little fact about limestone is that, all of the early hearths used to make any metal, be it copper, bronze, or iron were made in chiseled out limestone structures. I am among those that marvel at man's creativity, but there were and are certain raw materials that are needed to function. But let's not dwell on just limestone. Tell me about carbon and the rain cycle.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@allonzo1

"i challenge you to describe any evolution of society into an advance stage without huge readily available quantities of limestone."

"One of the examples was that by some quirk of nature if the particular creatures that made limestone had never come into being, then advanced society would never have developed."

You seem to be trying to make an anthropic argument as you are making the premise that without limestone, advanced societies would not have developed. This is entirely subjective and speculative. You are creating a singularity where there is none. Where is it law that limestone is required in the development of advanced societies? Where is your evidence that advanced societies would not have developed without it? The fact that we have developed with limestone does not provide proof that limestone is a requirement of advanced societies. It merely shows one example and that we have adapted and developed with our natural surroundings and have used our resources on Earth to provide a more habitable life.

Has limestone made life more manageable on Earth? Of course. Does that provide adequate evidence for an intelligent designer? Of course not, it is entirely subjective and is absolutely ridiculous. How has limestone developed over time on Earth? Through the process of natural selection. How has our ability to utilize our planet's resources developed over time? Through the process of natural selection. No ID needed.

Furthermore, in your argument you fundamentally admit, through your 'quirk' assertion, that an all-or-nothing catalyst was needed (limestone). This is quite contradictory to natural selection and I state again that you are confusing chance with natural selection.

"Lastly, i ask again. How many coincidence does it take for you to question the game, and there is only one game in town."

Again, you show that you do not understand the differences between chance and natural selection. You also seem to toss aside Katzwinkel's tea pot argument and further press upon us to prove that there is NO intelligent designer, when you have yet to provide any evidence for your own argument.

Is natural selection the 'end all to end alls?' No, but to borrow your phrase, it is the only game in town - and it works really well.

Now, you state there is only one game in town. I am assuming you are speaking of a specific creation myth. I place upon you the challenge of dismantling all other creation myths and solving the infinite loop problem of your own designer and thereby proving once and for all that an intelligent designer(s)'s hand is at work.
by otm_shank

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank

We are not communicating. I have asserted, many times, that natural selection does not apply to the laws of the universe. The universe was created only once with one set of laws. I have given a few binary events that had they not happened just the way they did, then an advanced society would not exist. One of the examples was that by some quirk of nature if the particular creatures that made limestone had never come into being, then advanced society would never have developed. i challenge you to describe any evolution of society into an advance stage without huge readily available quantities of limestone. This is not natural selection. There are only one set of building blocks with one set of properties.

Lastly, i ask again. How many coincidence does it take for you to question the game, and there is only one game in town.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@Katzwinkel

Who created the Celestial Katzwinkel? This shows precisely one of the fundamental issues with ID - the problem of the infinite loop. Who created the creator(s)? If we are to say that a being more powerful than the Celestial Katzwinkel is needed to create the Celestial Katzwinkel, this further enhances the problem by requiring an infinite amount of all powerful Katzwinkels and thereby further increases improbability.

@allonso1

I believe you are confused with chance and natural selection. In all of your examples, you seem to be implying that chance is the solution put forth by the non-ID side to the problem of existence and development of life as we know it and that chance cannot solve this problem. You are correct in that chance is a false solution, however, chance is not the solution put forth by the non-ID side, but rather natural selection. Natural selection is not chance.

Natural selection represents the only verifiable solution to the problem of life and works extremely well in solving this problem. Natural selection breaks down the issue of complexity (as you stated previously) into smaller and smaller chunks over vast spans of time. It is a cumulative process of evolution through selection to arrive at any given state at any given time period. Natural selection breaks the barriers of improbability.

"Who appreciates the billions of years that single celled creatures were able to manufacturing limestone so that we could build buildings and roads?"

Natural selection appreciates this. No intelligent designer needed.
by otm_shank

A point for
Intelligent design

Katzwinkel you are finally making sense. It is no coincidence at all that you appreciate the universe, the design is overwhelmingly fascinating and well tuned. Great job! My particular favorite, if you haven't guessed, is limestone. Great job. i do take umbrance, however, with the cancer thing. You could have fine tuned cell division a little better.
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

Since Intelligent Design appears to be all about proof-through-the-lack-of-unverifiability, I am all for Intelligent Design. In fact, not only is there no proof against Intelligent Design, there is no proof against the fact that The Designer is a gigantic, celestial version of me, Jason Katzwinkel, with incredible black leathery wings, red laser-beam eyes, and lions for hands (The Celestial Me is part Voltron, which is rad). The Celestial Me built existence in His workshop on the corner of Space and Time, right behind the 32nd dimension, well beyond the scope of any human detection or interpretation. The only evidence of The Celestial Me is everything that ever was, is or will be. You can tell because it's all exactly as The Celestial Me likes it. A hell of a coincidence, ain't it? By the way, allonzo1; you're welcome for carbon. That's The Celestial Me's favorite, too.

And I defy anybody to provide evidence to the contrary.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Intelligent design

Russell's teapot, sometimes called the Celestial Teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), intended to refute the idea that the burden of proof lies upon the sceptic to disprove unfalsifiable claims of religions. Russell's teapot is still occasionally referred to in discussions concerning the existence of God.

In an article entitled "Is There a God?", commissioned, but never published, by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell wrote:

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Intelligent design

DClay

You suggest that man would have adapted and thrived had some of the abnormalities in nature turned out another way. Use your imagination and comment on a few that i have mentioned. Maybe start with carbon's covalent bond.
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

DClary

Good points, but none of them prove that creation is the product of chance. The best scientist in the world have been trying to reconcile the the forces of nature into a TOE and have gotten essentially nowhere. The biggest question of all is not the Big Bang, but what preceded the Big Bang. General relativity tells us that space just wasn't empty and the clock was ticking, but that there was no space and no time. So, if time did not exist, what caused it all to happen. Scientist do not have an answer, and when there is no answer, science tells us to make a hypothesis. That is what i have done, and to date, while this hypothesis remains unproven, there are also no others that have been proven. Remember, if this is a debate then provide something to support your position. I say my position cannot be disproven any more than yours can be proven. lastly, am I to understand that if you saw someone toss heads 10, 20, or 30 times in a row, you would not question that some no so obvious mechanism was present because that would reveal superstition?
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@Allonzo:
Intellgent Design is inherently non-scientific because it looks for evidence to support a foregone conclusion. This conclusion is not quantifiable, cannot be reproduced, and cannot be proved or disproved. The arguments you've put forth amount essentially to gesturing wildly at scientific curiosities and saying, "boy that sure was convenient, eh?" Not only is that unscientific, it's illogical; it's the textbook definition of a post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc logical fallacy.

"I am suggesting that at some point after tossing a coin over and over again and it comes up heads every time, an intelligent and open minded person begins to think, “Maybe there is another force involved here.”

In fact, that is not what a rational, intelligent person should conclude, because that is the basis of superstition. People have been drawing fanciful conclusions based on circumstantial evidence for most of recorded human history. The scientific method changed all this, and it is the reliance on this method that has become the standard by which scientific conclusions are judged. You presuppose that "the laws of nature have been adjusted to allow for an advanced society," when it is equally logical to conclude that living things adapt to their environments, whatever those environments might present. Experimentation can be done to test the latter conclusion, but your conclusion is untestable.
by DClary

A point for
Intelligent design

Tell me if i am missing a point regarding this web site. My basis is the structure of debates. One side represents the for and the other the against. Debates don't start with one side being right and the other wrong. Then the debate is begun with the "wrong" proponent having "to provide direct, unequivocal evidence" of their position to win the debate. While some subjects have been ruled upon in a court of law or the court of public opinion, those are not definitive decisions that cannot be debated. The law once said women were not allowed to vote. Did that make the subject off limits to debate. Regarding the origin and design of the universe there no proof of either accident or intelligent. In my opinion this is a perfect topic to be on arguehow. As i have said before, a rational person can accept so many consecutive "heads" in coin tosses, and then they look for other explanations. What is your saturation limit on coincidences for a well structured universe? How many like coin tosses, 2, 10, 100, 10 to the 37th? By the way where is your "direct, unequivocal evidence" that there is no Intelligent Designer? I don't want opinion, i want facts?

by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

Otm_shank
Thank you for finally making an argument, and you have made some good points. The facts are that I cannot prove that there is an intelligent designer, nor can you prove there is not. The burden is on neither one of us for the purpose of this discussion. What I am attempting to do is to put forth some ideas such that an open minded person might get some information from a source other than Wikipedia. In my profession as a chemical engineer and in my many discussions of this subject I have found that most people don’t know squat about chemistry or physics, let along quantum physics, general relativity or string theory. Furthermore, it is easy for most to dismiss ID because in their minds, what’s the big deal about the universe. Who among your associates have pondered the suspension of the forces of nature during the inflationary period after the Big Bang? Who has any appreciation that ice floating is a total anomaly in nature, and that life probably would not exist if this were not the case. Who appreciates the billions of years that single celled creatures were able to manufacturing limestone so that we could build buildings and roads? Who has even thought of the cycle of coordinated events that it took to put the billions of gallons of oil below ground? These are not small things that can be dismissed with the standard rhetoric that , “My imagination is too limited to think of alternatives.” I know the periodic table well, and there are not any alternatives, to limestone, carbon, water, et cetera. I am not proposing that we have a scientific discussion. I am suggesting that at some point after tossing a coin over and over again and it comes up heads every time, an intelligent and open minded person begins to think, “Maybe there is another force involved here.”

by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@allonzo1

1. I was responding to your specific point (which starts off 'Give me a break. A goofy comment that asserts Intelligent Design...') and not the others. Yes, Katzwinkel is 100% correct, which is why he has 5 creds.
2. To address the others, as I have mentioned previously, much of your 'evidence' is stated ad nauseum by the ID crowd and has been debunked over and over again. To avoid redundancy, I posted a link to the most recent and most popular court case which ALREADY dismantles all of your arguments. Re-hashing old arguments should not win you cred.
3. It is up to you, the believer, to provide direct, unequivocal evidence for the existence of intelligent design or an intelligent creator. So far you have made several generalized statements about the minutiae of existence which do nothing of the sort . Ice floats ergo intelligent design exists? Trees provide shelter and wood for boats equals a creator must be at hand? Scientists are increasingly getting on board with ID? What? Provide direct evidence to ANY of what you assert is due to ID. So far you have done nothing.
4. Your arguments are erratic and seem to be frantically put together last minute. Do we really need to respond to your stream of consciousness?
5. When one fundamentally boils down ID to its most basic premise, it becomes: "You just have to believe." or "It's simply faith." This answer is absolutely unacceptable ... especially as we move forward into yet another decade.
by otm_shank

A point for
Intelligent design

otm_shank

You seem to be hung up on agendas and labels. Let's discuss facts. Other than some gibberish about complexity not being a valid support for ID. No one has comments on the facts laid out in the argument. Complexity matters in the creation of everything. Also the fact that creation is a string of events, not a multiple roll of the dice. Tell me where my observations are wrong, i.e. where would man be without limestone, the rain cycle, covalent bonding in carbon. MAKE AN ARGUMENT! Don't tell me that these facts don't matter because of some"de facto headquarters at the Discovery Institute." I don't give a damn about them or what their agenda is. As I have said before, I think that it is called Intelligent Design because you have to be intelligent enough to comprehend chemistry and physics and the implications of how the laws of nature have been adjusted to allow for an advanced society.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

@allonzo1

- "Before the publication of the book Of Pandas and People in 1989, the words "intelligent design" had been used on several occasions as a descriptive phrase, distinct from the modern use as a label for "creationism".

- "The ID movement has its de facto headquarters at the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based, policy-oriented think tank founded in 1990. In 1996, the Discovery Institute added ID to its agenda by opening the Center for Renewal of Science and Culture. In 2002, the words “Renewal of” were deleted from the name, producing the Center for Science and Culture, probably to appear more secular. As documented by Forrest and Gross's examination of the “Wedge Document,” a fund-raising proposal prepared by staff at the Center for Science and Culture, Christian cultural renewal is precisely the goal of the ID movement (12). Although the Discovery Institute has vociferously claimed that ID is a scientific research program and “not creationism,” in reality, many of the movement's claims are derived directly from creation science with no modification."

- "ID was invented as a way to circumvent the constitutional barrier to creation science, but when the constitutionality of ID was tested in Kitzmiller, it met the same fate (11)"
by otm_shank

A point for
Sarah Palin

I think that one reason she is such a target by the left is that they are in fear that young females might admire her. What's to admire, a woman of humble beginnings and while raising a family becomes mayor of her city and then governor. She is athletic, good looking and charismatic, and has chosen to be a leader not a victim. Heaven forbid that young women might want to follow in her footsteps. It is an effective strategy to attempt to ruin her image.
by allonzo1

A point for
Bestiality

Consent is not an issue - we kill and eat animals for food, we kill pests and we even lock up and transport our pets without their consent. You can't kidnap a cow - you can only steal it.
However, it is only OK if you don't hurt the animal. You should ensure that you don't hurt or damage the animal's body by stretching its orifices. There is no need to inflict pain - only gratify yourself with suitable body parts.
So don't hurt the animal, and go for it people!
by redorange

A point for
Intelligent design

Give me a break. A goofy comment that asserts Intelligent Design is some recent development by a group of American creationist to circumvent court rulings gets 5 Creds. The concept of Intelligent Design is as old as man's appreciation of the wonders of nature, and the term "Intelligent Design" is documented at least back in the 1800's. Intelligent Design is getting a resurgence among scientists today because science is backing up the complexity of the universe. Let's see some challenges to the things that have been asserted, not just poppycock and ad hominem arguments.
by allonzo1

A point against
Genetically Modified Foods

Adjudicating the ownership of genomes, like much intellectual property, is problematic. For instance, if your neighbor pays Monsanto for the right to plant their drought and pesticide-resistant super-corn, and a crow drops a kernel onto your property, which germinates and grows into a stalk, should you have to now pay for the privelege of "planting" the super-corn as well? Or if natural processes cause your crops to cross-pollinate with the super-crops planted in the next field over, does Monsanto now own a license on your crops, which now carry a portion of their created and patented genome?

This is not so much an argument against GM foods as it is an expansion of the question. This is an area of burgeoning technology that raises legal questions our system is not yet equipped to answer.
by DClary

A point against
Is there a "war on Christmas" in this country?

Christmas in its various forms has been around for centuries. This current incarnation is only a manifestation of the current culture.
A war is a conflict of interest ...and (this is meant with sarcasm) that sounds like many family gatherings at any holiday!
Seriously, there will always be a core group with the genuine belief that our culture needs to be readjusted to their way of thinking. Unless, Christmas is outright banned, there is no actual war.
Everyone is entitled to their point of view.
by Buscia

A point against
Intelligent design

It is religion and not science and does not belong in the public schools.
by Uklamok

A point for
Peeing while sitting down

AS you get older things happen. You may dribble a bit. Your stream may split into multiple directions.If you live with others and notice a wet spot on the floor after urination then one must sit to urinate out of common courtesy.
by Uklamok

A point against
Is there a "war on Christmas" in this country?

There is no "war on Christmas," whatever that even means, any more than there was a war on farming during the industrial revolution. What is happening is that the dominant culture is changing, as it always does, and there are always people who react to change with hostility. This phenomenon exists entirely in the minds of those unhappy with the way the culture is changing; it's a perceived attack perpetrated by no one in particular.
by DClary

A point for
Intelligent design

#4 GAME BREAKERS…..There are many quirks of nature in which normal patterns of the laws of chemistry and physics are broken to facilitate a world that can support life and be inhabited by an advance society. I have listed a few below:
The suspension of the four forces of nature during the inflationary period just after the Big Bang so that the universe could be formed.

The balance of forces that allowed stars and then planets with a vast array of elements to be formed.

The unique bonding capability of the element carbon that allows it to form chains of atoms and complex molecules.

The fact that ice floats. - As far as I know ice is the only solid substance that is less dense than in its liquid form. If ice did not float, oceans would be substantially frozen. No planet with the water volume necessary to make life could sustain life.

Trees - The importance of tree cannot be understated. In addition to providing shelter and a source of energy that allowed society to advance, if it were not for hard wood, man could not have navigated the seas. Think of what society and technology would be like without ocean travel.

Limestone – Man may never have gotten past thatch huts without the remarkable deposits of limestone.
Rain – without the cycle of rain which is allowed by a very precise balance of density, freezing temperature, nucleating ability and air movement, what would the earth be like.

Groundwater – The earth in most places has surface material that allows water to seep through it, become filtered and purified of bacteria, and lie perched on bedrock just waiting to be tapped into. Without groundwater society could never have developed spanning areas away from freshwater rivers and lakes.

The magnetic poles – Without the magnetic poles, the earth would be bombarded by high energy x-rays and life would probably not be possible.

The precise balance of the densities of sand and water – the motion of waves builds beaches and separates the land masses from the oceans and lakes. Without this balance, the oceans very well could have eroded the entirety of land on the world except for young volcanic land masses. There would never have been the estuaries so necessary for the incubation of life.

The process of the generation of fossil fuel – without the extraordinary one time production of fuel, man could never have advanced. The trees would have been gone a long time ago.

Heavy elements – if stars were just a little different only the lighter elements would have been formed. How about a world without iron, chrome, silicon (no computers), uranium, lead etc.

Tides – the precise location and movement of the moon produces reasonable changes in the level of oceans and lakes that is just perfect for forming estuaries and circulating otherwise stagnant water bodies.

by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

#3 ENERGY.... The production and storage of usable energy form for mankind is absolutely amazing. We have softwood, hardwood, peatmoss, softcoal, hardcoal, natural gas, oil, nuclear fission, and nuclear fusion. What a menu to chose from depending on technology. Pick it off the ground and burn, dig it up and burn, drill for it and burn (distill it and burn better), and concentrate it with high technology and heat water. Each form has a great story, but let's take oil. Back in the early days of life, plants were growing at tremendous speeds and building land as they grew upon previous vegetation. All of the organic matter laying out in the sun would not help man down the road. So, just coincidentally, land moving forces came into play that buried this material all over the planet at depths of thousands of feet. It just so happened that at that depth there is immense pressure that just happens to turn leaves and such into oil. Where would we be without oil? You talk about pollution, you should read about life around London at the beginning of the industrial revolution when only wood and soft coal were available. Added to the soot and smoke were tons and tons of horse poop. Without fossil fuels our society would be stone age.
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

#2 FOOD AND SHELTER...... Food is pretty straight forward. Crops and animals happened. I'll save this discussion for another time. The Cambrian explosion, Irreducible complexity - pretty neat stuff. So let's move on to shelter. Where would we be without limestone? i venture to say we might still be nomadic. How does it happen that it is so accessible. Well after the seas lost the dissloved sulfur and it went into an acidic atmosphere and the acid rain helped soften and dissolve the hard surface, Small singled celled animals became a factory tat took calcium chloride out of the water and made ginormous deposits of limestone all over the earth that even a "cave"man could utilize, as in limestone caves. How convenient. The even more amazing part is that the designer asked the question how can i improve on this hard rock substance. Well He did. If you roast limestone you get this nice powder that when mixed with water makes cement. Is that cool or what? Where would we be without cement and the mortar to bind bricks together? Lastly did I mention trees. Of all the species of plants, trees dominate. Where would we be without trees and limestone. Even today without these our society could not flourish or even survive.
by allonzo1

A point for
Intelligent design

#1 - BEGINNING OF THE EARTH There have been many characteristic of the laws of nature that have played to our advantage so far. Let's move on to some more. We now at a place where we have a planet that might at some time in the future be capable of allowing for some sort of life. If you were a designer how would you provide resources for a civilIzation, In the early times, after some cooling, this new planet has a hard glassy crust of homogenized elements and has an abundance of highly acid water. Just going down a shopping list, there will have to be food, that even a slow caveman can find. There will have to be implements for shelter. There will have to be energy from the easily accessible and inefficient to the more efficient and harder to come by. Also, all of the building blocks for an advanced society such as materials for advanced construction and technology will have to be made available. None of these existed at the beginning. Tune in next time - these entries are getting too long.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

To avoid unnecessary redundancy, arguments put forth on ArgueHow.com in favor of ID have been thoroughly stated and consequentially debunked in the case of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District. Citing: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.
by otm_shank

A point against
Peeing while sitting down

I can’t believe that nobody has talked about the best argument against sitting down; the time factor. It is inherently faster for one man to pee standing up then it would be for that man sitting down. Furthermore, men peeing standing up allows public bathrooms install urinal instead of toilet stall. Architects can fit more urinals then toilet stalls into a given space, which allows more men use a single bathroom. The only downside to such a throughput argument is that it may lead to the dreaded trough. Luckily though, the vast majority of establishments opt for a user-friendly experience over bathroom efficiency. Some venues that still opt for the trough have the good sense to fill the trough with ice, which leads to the best user experience possible as you get to melt ice with your hot urine; a rare treat indeed.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Wall Street Bonuses

The problem isn’t that Wall Street bankers are given bonuses; hard work and success should be rewarded. The problem is that many financial institutions had poorly crafted performance review and compensation packages. Traders were encouraged to make deals and accept extreme amount of financial risk in order to make a large amount of money in the short term, and to ignore the long term consequences of their new tenuous fiscal positions. Bowing to public outcry, Goldman Sachs Group recently announced that it was changing its bonus structure, and that now firm bonuses will vest over a four year period. Such a scheme should incentivize traders to weight both the short and long term position when they make a deal. Wall Street firms are still being rewarded for hard work and success, but now they are being rewarded for long term successes. That is good for everybody.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Wall Street Bonuses

Performance based pay can increase productivity in mechanical or straight forward tasks...

Performance based pay leads to decreased productivity in tasks requiring simple cognitive reasoning...

So, where do Wall Street and Finance Industry professionals getting huge bonuses fit in? Are they getting paid huge sums to put square blocks into square holes - or are they being paid to try to figure out how to think more abstractly?

There is something foul in the way we reward work.

TED talk in the link about this.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Intelligent design

The idea of Intelligent Design was developed by a group of American creationists who reformulated their argument in the creation–evolution controversy to circumvent court rulings that prohibit the teaching of creationism as science. Intelligent Design's leading proponents – all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank – believe the designer to be the God of Christianity. Thinly veiled evangelism delivered in an underhanded attempt to trick free-thinking individuals into swallowing a religion that they've already rejected.

See also: Scientology
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Intelligent design

it is funny, if a non-believer would find a toy car made out of Legos made in some remote area in darkest Africa, they would have no problem concluding that it is the product of an intelligent being. On the other hand they have no problem concluding the the incredible working design of this universe, tuned to perfection to allow intelligent beings to live and prosper was just a one time shot in the dark. Anyway, let's move on. So now we have moved from a bunch of Hydrogen atoms to big stars that are producing larger atoms. This is done, by the way, though a perfect balance of the forces that hold the sun together to manufacture other elements. Since these new elements cannot do anyone any good at the center of the stars, they must be dispersed. So conveniently, at some time the fuel becomes depleted and the star collapses on itself and blows up, scattering the new elements into space. These small particles are of just the right size and density to attract each other and coalesce into larger particles and ultimately to end up in other new stars to cook further or the make planets, all in perfect balance.
by allonzo1

A point for
Is there a "war on Christmas" in this country?

When religious, traditional, or cultural expressions are handled with a "zero tolerance" approach, even in the name of equality, everybody loses. Too many times have I seen genuine enthusiasm and joy squelched through the use of "Happy [insert generic temporal celebration here]!"

Rather than the "zero tolerance" approach, everybody would be better served through an "all inclusive" approach. There is so much focus on including everybody, that we're excluding everybody.

Merry Today.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Is there a "war on Christmas" in this country?

I do not believe Bill O'Reilly's claims that there is a "war on Christmas" in this country. There are not enough examples of so-called attacks to constitute a figurative war.
1.) Saying "happy holidays" to be inclusive is not attacking Christmas.
2.) Public schools and other places not hosting nativity scenes is not attacking Christmas, merely preserving the separation of church and state
3.) Stores displyaing "happy holidays" banners instead of "merry christmas" banners reflects the business's attempt to include every customer, which is very smart from a business pov. It is not a manifestation of an underground attempt to dismantle our beloved Christmas tradition.
by Krista17

A point against
Intelligent design

Citing "insurmountable coincidence" as evidence for one god or another has been an ongoing argument for hundreds and hundreds of years. Early Christians thanked their benevolent God for making pigs so plentiful, which was great because pigs are what humans happen to eat the most of. They failed to recognize their backward logic in that they ate so many pigs *because* they happened to be so plentiful.

While any layman can write off molecular structure as cosmically improbable, that isn't necessarily the case. Granted, the intricacies of existence may defy the odds, but to claim - definitively and without question - that atomic harmony is a coincidence is to profess to understand the odds of creation's various aspects. For all we know, the system of the universe may not only be probable, but a foregone conclusion, because there are so many as yet undiscovered elements of the universe that it is folly to make any definitive assertions.

Anybody with a fluent understanding of quantum particles *must* understand that until the moment of quantifiable unveiling, the likelihood of Intelligent Design is 100% equal to the likelihood of cosmic coincidence, and to postulate otherwise is not only counter-intuitive, but unproductive.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Intelligent design


There is strong science that the creation of the universe was a one time deal, but let's move on. So, after the inflationary period where certain laws of physics were on temporary hold to allow the expansion of the universe what we had was a whole lot of hydrogen atoms and not much else. if you have ever tried to build anything, you know that hydrogen does not go a long way in construction. Over the next few billions of years the hydrogen combined due to the force of gravity to form large stars within which the fusion of atomic parts, and in particular the protons, neutrons and electrons, formed heavier elements from carbon and oxygen to iron and chromium. This just happens to be another very convenient coincidence that these particles could be glued together to form a complete set of chemical building blocks that just happen to be necessary for a complex society. These one time coincidences just keep adding up. By the way complexity is not subjective, but objective. It is measurable through probability in math and entropy in physics. ........... you should read the references. They are very inciteful.
by allonzo1

A point against
Intelligent design

There is no evidence to support the notion that the creation of the universe is a one-time deal.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Intelligent design

The argument that creation and all of its elements are too complex to have happened on accident fails to take into consideration that "complexity" is a subjective term. Sure, it's complex to the likes of us humans and our squishy, moist, biological central nervous systems, but existence need not adhere to the boundaries of human intellect or imagination. Just because existence baffles us, it doesn't mean that mind-bogglingly complex patterns cannot emerge from the natural, unguided, unintelligent chaos of the universe.

The complexity of existence is not a testament to the complexity of existence; it is a testament to the simplicity of man.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
The Courtesy Flush

Courtesy flushing is a waste of water. If you are at home, all you need to do is light a match or a candle to kill any stench. Public bathrooms have the opposite benefit; namely that they smell bad all the time and that any smells you contribute are drowned out in the cacophony of stink. Regardless of the venue involved, there is no need to send another one to eight gallons into the sewer.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Intelligent design

Where do I start? There are literally an infinite number of reasons to advocate intelligent design. As a prologue, let me say that anyone who is a scientist, or anyone who has read either of Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" or James Burkes "The Day the Universe Change" knows that scientists cannot accept change. So if the standard theory does not include intelligent design, even strong evidence to the contrary will be rejected (for a while). While in past decades, so many parts of the universe appeared simple, today with our superior technology, we are just getting a hint of how the universe began. In my first entry on this subject i want to talk about the Big Bang. ----------There are four forces of nature, gravity, electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. Since Einstein's paper on general relativity scientists have been attempting, unsuccessfully to come up with a theory uniting these forces, "TOE", the theory of everything. What they initially found was the firces' incompatibility during the first instance of the beginning of time, i.e the Big Bang. Strong evidence points to the forces being combined during the first 10 to the minus 37th of a second after the beginning. After that time the whole of the mass of the universe was about the size of softball. At the beginning of time it was a billion times smaller. So like a multistage rocket the four forces came into being after what is called the inflationary period. Once in place the balance of the forces, their respective proportions to each other, had to be precise to something on the order of 10 to the 23 power, or the universe would collapse or never be formed at all. Unlike some theories that rely on random chance in multiple events to have something "evolve." The universe began only one, yet the infinite coordination of the forces of nature just happened to have the precision to make it all happen? Come on, smell the coffee!
by allonzo1

A point for
Facebook

People always catch the news, whether they check their favorite news feed on the Internet or just turn on the Nightly News when they get home from work. There are many ways to access the happenings in the world but, until websites like Facebook came along, there were no good ways to keep abreast of all the events in your friends' lives. Now you have a website that broadcasts important (and, more often, not-so-important) goings-on in the world of the people you know but don't necessarily talk to on a regular basis. I think of Facebook as the Friend News Network. And lest you complain that much of the updates on Facebook are inane, wouldn't you rather hear about what someone's having for lunch than another story about Tiger Woods' affairs?
by froggerus

A point against
Global Warming

What does it say about the veracity of "Gore Speak" when the guru himself, Al Gore, makes up a scenario about polar melting and credits it as "new" information from one of the leading climate scientists. Don't you think that he would value the truth a little more than to recite such a bogus story at the year's biggest environmental forum? For the record, Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted Gore's claims.
by allonzo1

A point against
Reality TV

What does this type of programing say about the general status of our society? Have we sunk to the level of the Romans watching gladiators torn apart by lions? When will it end? Will, some one have to get hurt, seriously or killed before this type of entertainment comes to an end? AND may I add just HOW REAL is this type of entertainment..cameras rolling and camera crew...if I was on a reality show viewers would change the channel since my REAL life is SO BORING! Are people watching these show so disappointed with their own life they must watch this?
by Buscia

A point against
Søren Kierkegaard

@ changorkon:
The problem with Kirkegaard's Christian-centric arguments is that they have inherently less value (or are at least less useful) to someone coming from a non-Christian background, be they atheists or the faithful of other religions. The reliance on a faith-based conclusion in philosophical circles is often seen as a failure of the reasoning of the arguer. For many, "because of God" is not a viable philosophical argument or conclusion.
by DClary

A point for
Unmedicated Child Birth

Research has shown that in mothers who have natural childbirth, babies are more alert and show more interest in pre-breastfeeding behaviors such as sucking and massaging the mother's breasts, as well as the actual length of time they spend nursing within the first 90 minutes.

by denarella

A point for
Unmedicated Child Birth

Since you can feel your body's reflexes in natural childbirth, mothers can push better and generally faster. In fact studies show that getting an epidural prolongs your pushing time.

by denarella

A point for
Unmedicated Child Birth

Mothers who labor naturally can move freely, go to the bathroom, walk and change positions throughout labor. According to the Cochrane Review, recent studies have shown that getting medication makes changing positions even after birth more difficult.

by denarella

A point against
Cloth Diapers

Some daycare centers / grandparents / baby sitters won’t want to use them.
by denarella

A point for
Cloth Diapers

Less diaper-rash; cloth diapered babies tend to have less diaper-rash, because natural cotton fibers breathe more easily.
by denarella

A point against
Cloth Diapers

Disposables seem like the easier choice. They are an all-in-one product, with less fuss than cloth.
by denarella

A point against
Peeing while sitting down

The benefits and detriments of peeing while sitting down vary drastically based upon whether or not there is a toilet underneath the pee-er.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
The War on Drugs

"COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!

After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!

The stated goals of current U.S.drug policy -- reducing crime, drug addiction, and juvenile drug use -- have not been achieved, even after nearly four decades of a policy of "war on drugs." This policy, fueled by over a trillion of our tax dollars has had little or no effect on the levels of drug addiction among our fellow citizens, but has instead resulted in a tremendous increase in crime and in the numbers of Americans in our prisons and jails. With 4.6% of the world's population, America today has 22.5% of the worlds prisoners. But, after all that time, after all the destroyed lives and after all the wasted resources, prohibited drugs today are cheaper, stronger, and easier to get than they were thirty-five years ago at the beginning of the so-called "war on drugs." - LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) www.leap.cc
by froggerus

A point for
Peeing while sitting down

Women don't really have a choice, now do they?
by froggerus

A point against
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

5 hour hours of game play in the single player (story) mode does not make a 60 game. The they went and through in a "controversial" level to build hype and increase interest. In this level you ply a terrorist and while you are not required to mow down masses of civilians, the entire scene is pretty disturbing.
by Uklamok

A point for
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Perhaps the best multiplayer available. The are a lot of maps and a lot of weapons and every bonus has something that can counter it. Infinity ward could have sold the multiplayer as a stand alone product.
by Uklamok

A point against
ArgueHow

Getting more love than 13 guys named ed.
by Uklamok

A point against
The Courtesy Flush

Sometimes you need to need to punish others with your stench. It gives an evil sort of joy.
by Uklamok

A point for
Søren Kierkegaard

Why is Katzwinkel's "against" comment considered an "against" comment? Kierkegaard's critical examination should be viewed on its own merits, not on the judgment of the topics.
by changorkon

A point for
Ebonics

Different from mere "urban slang". There are definite legitimate linguistic traits involved.
by changorkon

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

It's meant to sound shocking, but honestly - how much different is it really from the old term "Scum Bag"?
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

Jason is STILL louder than Jeff, and it's annoying. Audio needs more balancing.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Peeing while sitting down

Makes you feel less manly.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Peeing while sitting down

No urine splashing on the floor next to the bowl.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
The Courtesy Flush

i am also for courtesy flushing, but i have a different understanding. i have heard that courtesy flushing is a premature flush to eliminate the volatiles, especially when in a restroom with multiple toilets.
by allonzo1

A point for
The Courtesy Flush

If you live with anyone else, I think it's a social necessity. Consider how you would react if you came home and your wife/husband/roommate/trained monkey left a little "surprise" for you in the bowl. "Do unto others," and all that.

If one is worried about the waste of water, all of today's toilets are low flush—1.6 gallons per flush or less. This is sufficient for front-end business, and for most back-end business. If there are some stubborn stragglers who don't realize the party is over, another flush will do the trick. If the courtesy flush is only utilized a quarter of the time, that's still far less water used over time than with an older toilet.
by froggerus

A point against
Weezer

Raditude.
by froggerus

A point against
Punditry

Average or below-average citizens may be mistaken for experts in the field, leading consumers to alter thier opinions based on the agenda of an uneducated individual.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Breastfeeding

"Nursing will help you to regain your figure more quickly, since the process of lactation causes the uterus (which has increased during pregnancy to about 20 times its normal size) to shrink more quickly to its pre-pregnancy size. "

The Complete Book Of Breastfeeding M.S. Eiger. MD, S. Wendkos Olds, Copyright 1999, Workman Publishing Co., Inc., 708 Broadway, New York, NY 10003
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Research indicates that women who breastfeed may have lower rates of certain breast and ovarian cancers.
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Free (cheaper than formula by a long shot)!
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Human milk is delivered without excess packaging or processing and thus contributes to the health of our planet.
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Chapter 19 of THE WOMANLY ART OF BREASTFEEDING, "How Breastfeeding Affects a Mother," describes some of the physical benefits of breastfeeding for the mother such as reduced rates of breast cancer and ovarian cancer.
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Breastfed babies have a decreased likelihood for allergies and dental caries. They also benefit from appropriate jaw, teeth and speech development as well as overall facial development.
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

Chapter 18 of THE WOMANLY ART OF BREASTFEEDING, 7th Revised Edition, "Human Milk for Human Babies ," documents the benefits of breastfeeding such as the antibodies in it to protect the baby from illness. For example, a study in the Philippines showed that, "Deaths from respiratory infections and diarrhea were eight to ten times higher in babies who were artificially fed than in those who were even partially breastfed for six months " (THE WOMANLY ART OF BREASTFEEDING, 7th Revised Edition, page 350).
by denarella

A point for
Breastfeeding

"Human milk provides the specific nutrients that babies need to grow, both in size and maturity... " (THE WOMANLY ART OF BREASTFEEDING, 7th Revised Edition, page 340). Your milk is made to order for your baby. Research points to the significant value to infants, mothers, families and the environment from breastfeeding.
by denarella

A point for
A Global Climate Treaty

As science advances, two effects will become evident: how humans can change the world and how humans have changed the world. The potential of humans' effect grows day by day, and an agency that is responible for monitoring the detriments of advancement may be important to the survival of the planet. Worst case scenario of a global watch dog? Minor annoyance. Worst case scenario of a lack of a global watch dog? Global catastrophe.

Hyperbolic? Yes. Beyond consideration? No.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Cloth Diapers

Diaper spelled backwards is Repaid, which every parent should consider when complaining about unwieldy baby poop. Somebody handled your unsavory byproduct for quite a while; time to pay your dues.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Cloth Diapers

Dispoable diapers eliminate the problems of biohazardous storage and elimination that cloth diapers present.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Cloth Diapers

July 2008 Numbers:

From Birth to Potty Learning:

Prefolds & covers: $381.00 | Average cost per change (including washing): $0.06
Fitted diapers and covers: $1263.46 | Average cost per change (including washing): $0.18
All in one diapers: $1413.48 | Average cost per change (including washing): $0.20
Pocket diapers: $1677.66 | Average cost per change (including washing): $0.23
Combo cloth: $1468.74 | Average cost per change (including washing): $0.22

DISPOSABLE DIAPERS: $2577.35 | Average cost per change: $0.36

These cloth diapers number would be less per change for each additional child using the same diapers.


by denarella

A point for
Reality TV

There is something that is certainly compelling about the unscripted reactions of non-actors that draws people in, and the genuinely unexpected actions and reactions of willing or unwitting participants have provided entertainment to people since before Reality TV or regular TV. There is value in the medium, whether or not current broadcasters maximize the potential artfully.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Reality TV

If "Reality TV" suffers from anything, it is inaccurate labeling. It would be better described as "Lightly Scripted, Highly Edited, Cheap Thrills TV" because the relationship between reality and those types of television shows is tenuous at best. Now the detractors of this particular brand of programming have that torch to run with: "Which reality are YOU talking about?!?!" Nobody complained about professional wresting or American Gladiators when they came out, because they were never billed as reality.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Cloth Diapers

They are darn cute.
by denarella

A point for
A Christmas Story

A delightful gateway to the written works of Jean Shepherd, upon which the screenplay of this movie is based.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Weezer

Raditude.
by froggerus

A point against
www.failblog.org

Terrible, herky-jerky, sloppy design and layout.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Weezer

Though Weezer has a considerable selection of songs that are quite enjoyable, one song generally sounds like the next.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Weezer

For me, Weezer spans a range between "I love it" and "I don't care." Never have I heard a Weezer song to which I reacted negatively. I'd be hard pressed to think of an occasion in which I've intentionally skipped a Weezer song. And with the considerable library that the band has, that is significant.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize

The person that is chosen for The Nobel Peace Prize is the right person by default. They can't have gotten it wrong because, regardless of who agrees, the prize is awarded based upon the opinion of a committee. And whenever such prizes are awarded, there will be detractors claiming that the opinion is wrong.

I agree with CompliantSoul that this award, like many others, is the product of a bygone era; a system from back in the day when it was okay to issue awards as a prize for being the most compliant and most like what the committee in question considers normal. Perhaps The Nobel Peace Prize is obsolete, and it is well within the right of the obsolete committee to express their obsolete opinions and select their obsolete recipient.

If the prize really was important, we'd all be scrutinizing the winner of The Nobel Prize in Chemistry, too. But we're not. We don't care. Because the question isn't really about how the general public feels about the prize; it's about how they feel about Obama.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Star Wars in Concert

Too many people there to get around comfortably.

Kids swarming your legs like packs of rabid ankle biters.

8 bucks for a beer?!

True Star Wars geeks beware, lots of people and little time, get to the event early.
by ComplaisantSoul

A point for
Star Wars in Concert

Very entertaining. Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra and the Royal Philharmonic Choir were outstanding.

Anthony Daniels, who narrated the entire evening, was quite comical and entertaining.

Lots of Memorabilia and Costumed characters for the kids to have Pictures taken with. Very Family oriented.
by ComplaisantSoul

A point for
College Football

Provides many young adults with a chance to receive a college education that they would not have been afforded with out a Football scholarship. Provides a common ground for Faculty, Student Body, and Alumni to interact and bond, creating relationships that can be useful in future endeavors. Very entertaining.
by ComplaisantSoul

A point against
President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded to the person who:
“ during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.[1]

The previous year President Obama, No disrespect intended, spent the better part of his year campaigning for the presidential seat. He was kissing hands and shaking babies along with interviews with Katy and Oprah. The thought of peace was only in his mind after the end of every tiring day and, more than likely was in direct reference to a hot bath and a soft bed.

If he did spend any time at all contemplating world peace, the fraternity of two nations or the abolition or reduction of a standing army then he completely soiled his efforts the following year by deciding to send another One hundred and Sixty Thousand troops to Afghanistan.

This nomination is a twisted ploy to steal some of the lime light of the first African American President in the history of the United States as, in my own opinion, the Nobel Peace Prize has become a Icon of a time gone by and has little social relevance or impact in today's society.
by ComplaisantSoul

A point against
Women

Someone keeps buying Michael Bolton albums and "Twilight" DVDs, and I know it ain't me.
by DClary

A point for
Women

Biologically necessary to the continuation of our species. Also responsible for inspiring or creating a great deal of art and literature.
by DClary

A point against
Sarah Palin

She took a provision for end of life counseling, which she previously supported, and turned it into the infamous "death panels," a piece of hyperbolic, underhanded fiction, just to oppose the other side. This was not only hypocritical and intellectually dishonest, but demonstrably false. How much dirtier could politics be than saying the other side wants to murder your grandmother?
by DClary

A point for
Flintstones

I don't think that Ukla's "against" about the Honeymooners and the nature of adults' behavior is really necessarily "against". I think it could be "for".
by changorkon

A point for
Stephen King Novels

Most of Mr. King's novels are loads of fun, whether scary, eerie, silly, or original. He may produce alot of pulp fiction, but that doesn't mean it's bad. He's not a master, but he has plenty of moments of brilliance. Easy to read (at least in American English).
by changorkon

A point against
1984

Referenced so frequently in response to anything that sounds even remotely like state-sponsored surveillance that it's become beyond trite. Has also become a go-to reference by people who may have read it once (or not at all) to make them seem smart. See also: Kafka-esque, proactive, paradigm, and synergy.
by DClary

A point for
Firearms

While I understand and agree with the sentiment, the proposition is a non-starter. Such a ban would be (and has already been ruled) completely unconstitutional.
by DClary

A point against
ArgueHow

Not an argument against, only room for improvement. In the current arguehow system, each topic can only have one subject matter, which I believe is an unnecessary limit on the arguments. A user can sing the praises or condemn a subject easily enough, but a problem arises when the user would like to directly compare two subjects, X and Y. A system should be put into place to give users the choice between examining a subject isolated from other influences (the present system), or examining a subject through comparison to another subject. I am sure everybody likes Nikon SLRs and Cannon SLRs, but are Nikon SLRs better then Cannon SLRs? The cred/crud system of rating arguments can still be used without modification; bad arguments get crud, good arguments get cred. The only major change which would need to be done is to exchange the “FOR” field for topic X and the “AGAINST” field for topic Y.

Some might find that the comparison of three subjects will be necessary for a truly honest argument. Republican v. democrat v. green party? Vampires v. zombies v. Ditka? Such a problem is easily solved by expanding the above idea to encompass three subjects per topic. The only true limitation is screen space.

by Mr. Huge

A point against
TSA Passenger Screening Manual Leak

Harmless error. The versionl that was released had been revised six times before being distributed. Obviously, not something we want to make a habit of, but also not something to get worked up over.
by JackCNewell

A point against
iPhone

I agree that if you give it some time the price on any given new electronic device will come down to a more manigable price. Unfortunately with the iPhone it is not the price of the device that is a deterant for most people - myself included - it is the price of the phone and data packages that must be purchased to make the device useful.
by snowak29

A point against
Firearms

Dangerous, deadly, incredibly easy to create destruction. Very efficient method of hurting someone or escalating a bad situation into something worse.
by spazol

A point for
A Christmas Story

Fun to the point of wickedness. A great recollection of American childhood experiences. Great acting, great writing, memorable imagery and dialogue. An overall thumbs-up for almost anyone -- including people who don't celebrate Christmas (either by circumstance or by choice). Enjoyable and not at all the treacle-filled Capra title.
by spazol

A point for
Nintendo Wii

Original, fun (perhaps revolutionary) interface proves there's a lot more to video games that just hammering on the "fire" button or knowledge of combination keys.
by spazol

A point for
Stephen King Novels

King has been able to spur some Hollywood directors to make some REALLY GREAT feature films. I know this is not exactly the topic as written, but Misery and The Shining are both great. Let's not forget Stand By Me and The Shawshank Redemption (although they were based on short stories, right?). Even the Green Mile was a good flick. It all started with King.
by spazol

A point for
Stephen King Novels

Proof that a regular guy can write lots and lots of material, most of which is interesting in at least some regard. The fact that he can crank out so much is noteworthy in itself. Often he has used normal language and popular culture within his works. King can be imaginative and sometimes pedestrian, but as a whole, he has produced memorable and entertaining fiction. It's not all great. But hardly any of it sucks.
by spazol

A point for
Blue Man Group

Clever, imaginative, vivid and memorable. They may be loud, but they're original.
by spazol

A point against
Microsoft's Ad Campaign

Regularly lacks any significant or redeeming value. Imagine if they bothered to actually inform the viewing public, or recommended some useful information as to why, how, or when to use their products? I'm reminded of the days of Ma Bell ("the phone company") back before it splintered into lots and lots of companies (many of which reaggregated, but that's another issue). There were hardly EVER any ads by "the phone company". If there were some, they usually showed how they were improving technology, usefulness, or reliability.

MS should think about that. They have such a large share of their market(s)... they don't need to be so smarmy. With all their brainpower and capital, they should be capable of so much more.
by spazol

A point for
www.failblog.org

A fun site to peruse. A great www clearinghouse for photos of mistakes, errata, and sillinesss. It'll only get better as more people learn about it and submit images.
by spazol

A point for
1984

Both interesting and educational. A great narrative and examination of The State, individuality, freedom, truth, and propaganda. Sadly, it's also been reported to be useful in creating exactly the type of disinformation regime it described.
by spazol

A point for
ArgueHow

Provides a fun and simple interface to learn and express opinions (and perhaps some facts). Slightly addictive.
by spazol

A point for
Tiger Woods

Not only is he a great golfer, he brought professional golf into the mainstream. For many, professional golf broadcasts are no longer just an easy way to come down from an exhilarating viewing of pro-bowling anymore or to work your way through a hangover. Tiger provides an insight into the competitive spirit of world class golf. While Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer had wide appeal, Tiger made professional golf a regular part of everyday sports fans' knowledge base. Also, before Tiger, Nike did not really have much to do with golf. Now, it produces a significant portion of its revenue.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Tiger Woods

Shame on the sports "journalists" who misled the public about this abusive, spoiled, and sheltered baby. For too long the sports media has been muzzled by sponsors. This is what happens when news agencies are run by entertainment executives. I cannot say I am unhappy about Tiger having to take some grief. However, the frenzy is a bit overstated... aren't we still fighting a couple of wars, or isn't there some real news going on?
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Tiger Woods

Once, Twice, nine times a cheater.... When he got married, did he not realize what that meant?
by ComplaisantSoul

A point against
Tiger Woods

He is a reclusive "Icon" with very little genuine personality.
by ComplaisantSoul

A point against
Rule 34

Rule 34 of Chicken McNuggets.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Rule 34

Rule 34 of the pink-haired Esurance cartoon lady.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
TSA Passenger Screening Manual Leak

If this somehow takes down the TSA I'm all for it. We'll see who is the one to lube up a gloved finger now!
by AndreCompadre

A point for
Rule 34

For those of you who don't know what Rule 34 is, I have provided you with some information.

http://tinyurl.com/cw4v9k
by AndreCompadre

A point for
Rule 34

Rule 34 is why the internet exists. Thus, those of you who find Rule 34 disturbing simply hate the internet and are obviously best friends with Kim Jon Il
by AndreCompadre

A point for
ArgueHow

I hear you guys liek mudk...I mean arguing.
by AndreCompadre

A point for
Crudding

I second Frogger's request for a feature allowing you to explain your cruds. I'm fine with getting a crud here and there, but if I don't know what the specific objection is, I have no idea how to refine my argument to address the objection.
by DClary

A point against
Elton John

Rededicating "Candle in the Wind" to Princess Diana was kind of ridiculous. Obviously it's his song and he can do what he wants to with it, but wouldn't it have been more meaningful to write a new song for her than to simply repurpose the old one he'd written for Marilyn Monroe?
by DClary

A point against
Breast Implants

"I find it offensive. Au naturale baby. That’s how I like em. Swing low, sweet chariots." - Creed Bratton
by otm_shank

A point for
Recycling

there is more to recycling than just dropping things into recycling bins.
Look creatively at the items you are about to throw away. I just used an old bed sheet for a draft stopper. Old plates are under plant pots. Worn out t-shirts can become dust rags. Plastic bags can be donated to your local food pantry or resale shop. Donate magazines to your local nursing home or library. Of course donating clothing and buying clothing at resale shops is sort of a form of recycling.
If you can start a compost heap.
Old worn towels can be cut done into dish clothes.
If you think about it,I am sure that you can come up with many more ideas.

by Buscia

A point for
The Categories of ArgueHow

You're doing it wrong!

None of the things y'all are chattering about are categories.

By categories, I mean the... uh... categories under which topics go. For example:
Consumer Goids > Electronics
Lifestyle > Parenting
Science & Technology > Photography

There is a dropdown menu under +add a topic. Is it sufficient?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Google Wave

It is a very quick and simple live collaboration tool with memory and history. Imagine an editable chatroom with the saveability of a Word document.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

As a movie it’s fine, albeit about 45 minutes too long. As an adaptation of the Tolkien book of the same name, it’s a shameful conclusion to what might have otherwise been an excellent tribute to The Lord of the Rings. One of the primary reasons for the hobbits setting out on their quest was protection of their home, the Shire. Tolkien’s book ends with the Shire scoured and turned into an industrial wasteland, its citizens brutalized and murdered. Two lessons can be gleamed from such a tragic ending. The first lesson is a warning against reckless industrialization, a seemingly prophetic warning to today’s world of climate change and globalization. The second lesson is a message that war touches every aspect of our lives; the hobbits could never return to the home the loved, regardless of how hard they fought in the war. Without such a moving capstone, the movies just stand as a technical achievement with great special effects, not an artistic achievement with fully realized story arcs and rich metaphors.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Breast Implants

There is nothing inherently wrong with breast implants or breast augmentation. If breast implants make a woman feel better about herself, more comfortable with her body image and sexuality, why should people condemn her? Breast implants are also commonly used in post mastectomy breast reconstruction. Many of the medical side effects seen with the old silicone implants have been resolved in later generations of breast implants, and the most recent silicone implants designs have significant improvements in safety, with lower potential for rupture.

by Mr. Huge

A point against
The term "slut" in everyday speech.

Katzwinkel

My assumption that the word "slut" is derogatory is totally accurate. *You* may be in favor of promiscuous women (btw I totally applaud that you have no moral preconceptions about how much sex people should have!) but that does not change the widely known negative connotation of the word in this culture. If you say "slut" is not derogatory, just try complimenting the next woman you meet by telling her, "Hey gorgeous, you look like a slut." If everyone thought like you, it would NOT be derogatory and the double standard would vanish.
by Krista17

A point against
Breast Implants

1.) Small-breasted women are still beautiful and tons of guys think so
2.) The look of large melons on a thin frame is an artificial image created by Hollywood that women have internalized as "normal" or "beautiful."
3.) Many artificial breast (and scars) look odd, too round and hard thus defeating the purpose of achieving that feminine beauty
4.) All surgeries carry serious risks like infection
5.) With push-up bra technology today, women can achieve the same well-endowed look (albeit clothed)
by Krista17

A point for
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Mr. Huge, Do you like picking out your own clothes each morning? Do you enjoy eating out and choosing what you want from the menu? Do you like the way you wear your hair? Do like hanging out with your friends? Do you enjoy sex? OR do you like BINGO and Lawernce Welk? Do you like ice cream socials?
WEAR A HELMET!!
I have taken care of enough young men involved in accidents without the benefit of a helmet. Pelase do not be my next!
Enter a nursing home and: Someone like me will pick out your clothes in the morning. These will be clothes purchased by your Mom , so chances are you will be looking like Mr. Rogers on a bad day.
Your food consumption will be determined by the registered dietitian and served on a schedule. There will be no menu for the pureed food you will be served.
Your hair will be cut short.
Your friends will visit for a while (about a month, average) and fade away. Your visitors will be mom,dad the local church groups, volunteers that read to the patients and an occasional Scout troop doing community service.
Your girlfriend may visit a bit longer than your friends and then she will move on.
The highlights of your day will be the activities designed to keep you busy, this includes Arts and Crafts, sing alongs, church groups and socials.

I write this with actual tears in my eyes because of the memories of the young men that I have met who have had their lives cut short, suffer and died.
Please,wear a helmet!


by Buscia

A point against
Bottled water

the human race has been consuming water for century with the benefit of plastic bottles. The water that comes out of your tap is just as refreshing and cures your thirst the same as bottled water.

The American consumer sure has been suckered into this advertisement ploy.
by Buscia

A point against
Making the Bed

I do not know if this is an arguement or just a simple FYI
One of the things we teach in occupational therapy is energy conservation. Energy conservation is taught to those with COPD and the like. The lesson taught is you DO NOT have to make a bed, just shut your bed room door. But, if it is important to you make the bed and conserve energy else where.



by Buscia

A point for
The Categories of ArgueHow

I'm FOR having an indented debate column to go along with any given argument so people can debate a specific part of that point without having to make a separate argument. This way a person can tell why they crudded another's argument, and the original poster has the option of restating or clarifying their argument.
by froggerus

A point against
The Categories of ArgueHow

Not necessarily against, but under the heading of "What have we missed?" Users that create categories which spawn in-depth, long debates should receive cred. Users that create categories that flop should receive crudding.
by otm_shank

A point against
Google Wave

Very, very buggy at the moment and missing some very key features (like the ability to remove someone from a wave). I understand that they are diligently working on the project and it is very early on in the development cycle, but Google may have released this way too early, which may cause problems for its long term success.

Wave's credibility may be shot with all of the tech pundits complaining how half-baked it is and it will take considerable improvement to win over their hearts and minds when it is complete.
by juszczak

A point for
Seatbelt Laws

Driving is a privileged not a right. People agree to obey all traffic laws when they get their driving license. People do not have a right to make themselves a burden on society because they find a simple safety device to be annoying. No one is harmed by the law. No's freedom of movement is being restricted by the law.
by Uklamok

A point for
Google Wave

I enjoy the conversation format. I see myself using it as a primary form of electronic communication once it gets out of beta (or everyone I trade email with is invited).
by Uklamok

A point for
The War on Drugs

If people signed a waiver that said they would neither seek nor accept state paid for medical help when buying their hardcore drugs they can shoot up and melt away in a corner for all I care (heck Id say a state cremation could probably be thrown in too), but they do not have the right to abuse drugs then make themselves a burden on the rest of society.

Your average pot head may cry foul against this argument in that their drug of choice isn't so instantly addictive or destructive as hard drugs. Weed will give you cancer just like cigarettes if you smoke it long enough. We may not have outlawed tobacco, but we've raised the tax so high that people can not afford to buy them and the only place they are free to smoke anymore is in their own home or outside away from other people.
by Uklamok

A point against
Intelligent design

... is neither science nor technology, for starters.
by DClary

A point for
ShamWow

I feel like I have to defend the ShamWow, which has been unfairly maligned because of the shenanigans of it's pitch-man. It's not the towel's fault that Vince beat up a hooker.
by DClary

A point for
Judy Blume

Superfudge changed my life. Such as it was when I was 7, anyway.
by DClary

A point for
Søren Kierkegaard

I give him props for his ethical arguments and for taking seriously the big questions that led to the Existentialist movement. My only qualm is that he too often resorted to the cop-out of "God" as being the answer to those questions. Sartre probably said that better at some point.
by DClary

A point against
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Vampires are lvl 11 elites, zombies are lvl 2 brutes. Monster Manual 1 says vamps are scarier.
by DClary

A point for
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Jon Stewart spearheads the movement calling out corporate mainstream media. They aren't doing their job as the 4th Estate, and he shows that consistently.
by DClary

A point against
Balloon Boy Family

A non-story. Its only redeeming feature is that it might have shined a light on the insane obsession in this country with "reality" television.
by DClary

A point against
Google Wave

For the time being, Google Wave acts as little more than another inbox that I have to check. If there were some kind of notification system that came to *me* when a new comment or wave popped up, it might be another story, but as it stands, I simply have to remember to wonder if anybody has posted anything to me or for me in Google Wave. And with so few people on Google Wave, the answer is usually disappointing.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Beethoven's 9th symphony

That it's the only piece of classical music many people can name or identify on hearing speaks to its importance. Every great composer had at least a few pieces that were hard as hell to play, but few of those were also as great as Beethoven's 9th.
by DClary

A point for
Green Party (U.S.)

The Green Party represents a truly progressive platform that the Democratic party only pretends to offer. The notion that it draws support away from Democrats may have been a valid complaint in the 2000 elections, but since then, Green Party candidates are as much opposed to the agenda of Democrat conterparts as they are of Republicans. They offer an alternative to what are essentially two center-right parties with very minor policy differences. That said, the Greens fare much better in Parliamentary systems than in the American model, in which the 2-party system has become immovably entrenched.
by DClary

A point for
LOLspeak

As long as it remains superimposed over images of cute animals, I have no problem with it.
by DClary

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

The term as I've seen it used (and used it) is applied almost unversally to men. And I can't speak for anyone else, but when I call someone a douchebag, I'm not comparing them to a dirty vagina. Also, columnist Dan Savage addressed this in a recent Savage Love podcast. His observation is that the notion of douching as applied to female bits is a holdover from the 70s and 80s, and that most actual douching that occurs these days is anal. This fits the way I use the term a lot better: a total asshole with an undeservedly high opinion of himself.
by DClary

A point for
Domestic Violence Organizational Policy

The topic construction sounds like it was started by someone unfairly accused of domestic violence, but I'll bite... As far as criminal prosecution goes, obviously anyone accused is innocent until proven guilty. However, it is entirely within the interests of the state to provide protection to an alleged victim of domestic violence, so long as probable cause exists to charge the accused. If an error must be made either way, I'd rather the system err in favor of false accusers than actual perpetrators of domestic violence.
by DClary

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

Also... "Either you agree that it is ok to discriminate against certain types of relationships in determining which relationships are to receive status and privilege from society, or you do not. If you agree, then I sincerely would like to understand your criteria for deciding when it is ok to discriminate and when it is not."

The sex of those people wishing to enter into a legal contract (which is what marriage is) has no bearing on the legality of that contract in any other case. Clearly, from a purely secular legal standpoint, denying people the right to enter into a contract of any kind based on their gender would be nonsensical, discriminatory and illegal. Except for marriage? I concede that this argument would also open the door for polygamous marriage, not that I think that would be society-crushing either. America has a proud tradition of throwing tradition in the garbage whenever it conflicts with civil liberties. USA! USA!
by DClary

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

@Egorz13:
Your framing of the argument in terms of utilitarianism misses the point. The question is not whether Same-sex marriage benefits society, but whether its existence would substantively harm society. It would not. And since the specific society in question is the United States of America, the further issue is whether its absence harms society. (It does.)

Ultimately, the same-sex marriage debate is a question of civil rights. The 14th Amendment affords all citizens equal protection under federal law, and denying any two consenting adults the right to the legal protections and privileges marriage provides based on their gender is, to me, a clear violation of that Amendment. (caveat: I am not a lawyer) Legal precedent in America has been a long tradition of increasing civil rights for individuals, and I fully expect that we will eventually realize that denying any committed couple the right to marry helps no one and harms us all.
by DClary

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

All I have to say is SO MANY people for SO MANY years have used marijuana that if it was as harmful as the government says, well there would be asylums filled to capacity with smoke addled patients.

Alcohol consumption is legal,yet is cause of car accidents and violence.

One last thought, some where in Genesis God says (and this is not a direct quote) I give you seed bearing plants.

Does anyone knoe when marijuana actually became illegal?

OK, I am done and I know this is a rambling argument.
by Buscia

A point for
LOLspeak

LOLspeak is nothing more than the morphing of our modern way of communicating. Language flows and changes. Ever try to read Beowulf in Old English? Back in the day I used the word boss...Anyone know what that means?..and the phrase "back in the day" has just recently become a common bit of terminology. AND if an old lady like me KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS some LOLspeak it is already passing out of coolness stage just like the phrases Far Out and the cat's meow.
by Buscia

A point for
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Anne Rice almost single handedly destroyed the scariness factor of vampires. Here popular books struck a chord with the lonely and the frightened and made them all long to be these hyper sexual super immortals who glide through the centuries with their secret band of immortal brethren. The twilight angst spewing teenage vampires are a direct result of her work and could not even dream of instilling the type of fear we see in the new and improve zombie media.
by Uklamok

A point against
An army of Zombies & an army of Vampires VS. an army of Ditkas?

You can't make this decision without some clarification. What kind of vampires? Nosferatu, White Wolf (role playing game publisher), Twilight (shudder), Anne Rice?

Zombies also vary. Left 4 Dead zombies are scary tough whereas Night of the living dead zombies are the classic slow moving moaners.

Then there is Ditka. The grizzled old man that he is now or the 1985 coach who brought glory to the city? Ditka the restaurateur could not convince the city or the state that the anti smoking ban would hurt business. That Ditka not so tough.

For and against does not really work here.
by Uklamok

A point for
An army of Zombies & an army of Vampires VS. an army of Ditkas?

Ditka.

And Ditka is an army of one.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Jack, what about an army of zombies and an army of vampires versus an army of Ditkas?
by egorz13

A point against
Zombies are scarier than vampires

It depends on whether or not you are a purist. If modern-day storytellers are allowed to change the rules as they see fit, then the point is moot; the scariest monster is the one that is most scarily written at the time. "Sure, vampires might have some wicked barbed tentacles, but zombies are thirty feet tall and shoot chainsaws out of their nipples."

However, if judging by standard timeless folklore, zombies have little to offer. They're creepy and annoying, but easily avoided and dispatched. Vampires, on the other hand... they's gonna gitcha!
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Tiger Woods

He's one of the greatest golfers of all time.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Obama's Afganistan Strategy

Obama is not committing the United States to nation building. He said that in his speech and he said that these plans. So, to "fix the country" should be taken off the argument. The objective is to dismantle, and disable Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The link is only part of the speech.
by JackCNewell

A point against
2012 (the Movie)

The remaining 2 hours are not tolerable.
by JackCNewell

A point for
2012 (the Movie)

First hour is very effective - fun, scary, a good ride.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Google's Information Domination

It's dangerous for us to have all of our eggs in the Google Basket.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Zombies are slow and stupid. Vampires are quick and clever. Easy. Vampires every time. The real advantage that Zombies have over Vampires is they have the numbers. But, since this Argument doesn't specify it's hard to know what's scarier. If it's an army of Zombies versus a Vampire, the army of Zombies is scarier. But, if it's an army of Zombies versus and army of Vampires - the army of quick, clever, multi-special powered Vampires wins every time. If it's an army of Vampires versus one Zombie - fuhgettaboutit.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Zombies are scarier than vampires

Zombies are way scarier then the modern vampires which have arisen in the past 2 or 3 years, thanks in no small part to the Twilight series. Granted even the ‘new’ vampires kill people and drink their blood, they are no longer mysterious denizens of the night, striking without warning or remorse. Modern vampires are brooding teenagers who sparkle in the sunlight. Granted, I find brooding teenagers to be among the most annoying creatures on the planet, but I would never be terrified on one. Oddly enough, as vampires have gotten less scary, the opposite is true with Zombies. With recent films such as 28 Days Later, I Am Legend, etc. zombies are now intelligent and quick eaters of flesh.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Personal Bankruptcy

Bankruptcy is not, in any sense of the term, an “easy way out.” The bankruptcy code was amended in 2005 to include, among other notable provisions, the “means test.” The means test simply calculates a chapter 7 debtor’s current monthly income, and if that income level is greater then the state median income, then the debtor is a presumed abuser and will be required to convert his/her case to a chapter 13 reorganization. Furthermore, the fraudulent conveyance preference provisions will let creditors undo transactions between the debtor and a third party aimed at hiding assets from creditors. Lastly, a debtor who fraudulent obtains credit, or who enters into bankruptcy in bad faith, may find his/her debts declared non-dischargeable, and will have to pay those debts in full.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Personal Bankruptcy

Personal bankruptcies (chapter 7, chapter 13, and chapter 11) are effective tools for individuals to deal with crippling amount of unforeseen debt. Most bankruptcy cases are usually caused by a single polarizing event which transforms a healthy balance sheet into an unhealthy one. Studies done throughout the past decade show that most bankruptcy cases are either directly caused by illness or injury, or the debts incurred treating illness or injury. Through the bankruptcy process, otherwise hapless debtors are shielded be shielded from creditors foreclosing upon homes and automobiles.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

it is similar to seatbelt laws, people know what is right and wrong. People also know that if they don't wear a helmet, they have the possibility to die, just the same as going through the windshield with a seatbelt. If we start doing that then all things that could possibly kill you should be outlawed. That would leave us in a society with nothing, because everything can potentially kill you.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to Katzwinkel from 12/5/09:
1) I agree that "marriage isn't about mechanically ejecting offspring and then chucking them into the woods to fend for themselves." Who said otherwise?
2) The benefit to society from marriage is in orderly and sheltered procreation. Of course procreation is easy, but there are many circumstances that are less than ideal for procreation - that's why we encourage procreation within the framework of marriage.
3) The fact that there are children in the world looking for a home means we should reconsider our ideas concerning adoption, not marriage.
by egorz13

A point for
The War on Drugs

We need a war against drugs so future parents do not name their child Frogger. :) But, I am pretty toasted right now, so what do I know.


by Buscia

A point for
2012 (the Movie)

Remarkably good effects.
by juszczak

A point for
The term "slut" in everyday speech.

To automatically assume that the term "slut" is derogatory is failure to explore the word to its full potential. A slut is commonly defined as a woman who has a bunch of sex with a bunch of dudes all the time. As a dude, I am pro-slut all the way. I, personally, have no moral preconceptions as to how much sex a person ought or oughtn't have. I strive to have as much sex as I can as often as I can, and I invite everybody to enjoy the same freedom. Slut Pride not only promotes equality, but increases my odds of success.

What is the male version of the term slut? Stud.

Go sluts!
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Zombieland

While not realistic, it provides important advice that allows people to better prepare for the upcoming zombie war. BE PREPARED!
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

I agree that the production of offspring is fundamental to the well-being of society, but reproduction is certainly not the end of the line. Marriage isn't about mechanically ejecting offspring and then chucking them into the woods to fend for themselves. In fact, the creation of the offspring is only one phase of MANY in the development of a productive member of society. One might argue that procreation is the easiest part of the whole process.

While same-sex partners cannot procreate, they are more than capable of creating an environment and culture in which to develop a happy, healthy, productive member of society. The only thing missing from the equation is the offspring itself. If only there were children in the world looking for capable and loving caretakers, then same-sex partners would be worthy of the same benefits granted to those who are able to "roll their own." Unfortunately for The Gays, every momma wants her baby and nobody ever dies.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to elwoodlaw from 12/5/09:
1) It's not a question of treating people differently. It's a question of whether same sex marriage merits benefits and status being bestowed by society. Otherwise do what you want to do, just don't expect "official" sanction for it.
2) I think you'd be surprised to discover that opposition to same sex marriage doesn't come from just "Bible abusing rightists." You don't have to have a Bible or be of the right.
3) Regarding the sterile argument: that's a good point. However, I think society would recoil from the gross imposition on privacy that would be required by checking for sterility (I know I would). Society must weigh privacy issues vs letting some sterile people slip into the institution of marriage. But there is no corresponding invasion of privacy required for same sex couples - it's just not able to be faked or mistaken.
4) I think your assertion that "this really seems to be more of an excuse to try to indirectly, and maybe/hopefully unintentionally, be anti-gay simply because you do not like the lifestyle" is a straw man argument based on zero evidence except for your own world view.
5) I didn't imply and I don't believe in a slippery slope argument and I disagree that polygamy and incest are red herrings. Either you agree that it is ok to discriminate against certain types of relationships in determining which relationships are to receive status and privilege from society, or you do not. If you agree, then I sincerely would like to understand your criteria for deciding when it is ok to discriminate and when it is not. If youy disagree then I sincerely would like to know why you think society should be involved in marriage at all (why can't people go to a church and not bother at all with the state? why bother at all with a church? why does it need to be "official"?).
6) These are the questions that trouble many people when it comes to the issue of same sex marriage. The fact that you think it's irrelevant noise probably explains why you apparently can't understand opposition to same sex marriage except in terms of religion or bigotry.
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

In response to juszczak from 12/5/09:
1) I don't think that anyone is pretending when it comes to this issue.
2) I agree that marriage is "the outward expression of a couple's love for each other"
3) If society derives no benefit from that outward expression, then why is society involved at all? Why do you need a license? Why do we organize legal principles around it?
4) Maybe YOU don't need an extended family or an immediate family to provide food, resources, or care for the elderly, but you're delusional if you think those circumstances are relics of a bygone age. They happen all the time.
5) Receiving benefits or status from society is not a right. Society is under no obligatiopn to provide benefits to anyone, let alone people it feels don't provide commensurate benefits in return. What benefit does society receive from same sex marriage?
by egorz13

A point for
Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin has been a mayor, governor, and vice presidential candidate.
by egorz13

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

As the cliche' goes, why don't gay people have the right to be as miserable as the straight population. While over-simplified and overstated, this aphorism is appropriate. Many gay citizens pay taxes, serve in our military, create scientific breakthroughs, contribute to the arts, and share with our communities like any other beneficial members of society. Why should they be treated differently?

Ironically, Bible abusing rightists commonly criticize the gay community for the right's perception that gay people are particularly promiscuous. Why wouldn't our society want to reward people who have made a commitment to one another? Also, on that note, we must consider whether there is a public health benefit of encouraging monogamy?

As for the children argument, why are people who are sterile allowed to marry? You can fish all day, but if you do not have a line or tackle all you are going to get is a nice boat ride.

I understand people's perspectives about this are commonly shielded in religious or cultural ideals that were developed during a different time. However, respectfully, I assert that time has gone by. With all due respect, this really seems to be more of an excuse to try to indirectly, and maybe/hopefully unintentionally, be anti-gay simply because you do not like the lifestyle.

Finally, this argument is about same-sex marriage. It is not about incestuous marriage, pedophilia, polygamy, or other issues. These red herrings and implied slippery slope arguments are garbage and cheapen the dialogue regarding this issue. It is simply a cheap attempt to associate the issue with irrelevant noise.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
Reality TV

The over-saturation of "reality shows" has replaced quality tv programming. Again, we have catered our airwaves to the lowest common denominator. Did we not learn anything from the cautionary tale from noted scholar, Arnold Schwarzennegger - "The Running Man"? While there is some great television programming available, much of prime time has become dominated by drivel aimed at dolts. Also, they are not based in "reality."
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Google's Information Domination

At least for the moment, Google has taken a benevolent dictator approach to their domination of personal data. This domination has allowed them to create some of the most innovative and useful tools released on the web today, for which, we (their dutiful subjects) benefit.

Their motto "Don't Be Evil" is an indication that they, at least, have the intent to protect user's privacy.
by juszczak

A point against
Sarah Palin

WHEN THIS ARGUMENT IS REFUTED, I WILL DELETE THIS COMMENT

Look through the "FOR" list on the left. What don't you see? An argument FOR Sarah Palin, that's what. Every defense of her has nothing to do with her qualifications or abilities, they're only whining about everyone being so mean to poor, poor Sarah (or as Elwoodlaw calls her, "hot moose hunting governor").

Show us a reason "FOR" Sarah Palin, not just "NOT AGAINST" her!
by juszczak

A point against
Sarah Palin

I love her supporter's typical response to the "liberal media attacks" on their beloved. It's easy to say, "every politician, professor, speaker, interviewee, etc. has gaffes", while failing to notice the statistical regularity of them.

There seems to be an incredible amount of denial going on by her supporters. If a rational person points out the numerous occasions when Palin has attempted to prove her ignorance, they are told they are being overly critical or are sexist, or there is a "gross double standard". As if this is proof to refute the contrary. Not all criticism is politically motivated, sometimes it IS valid.

Sounding Stupid + Being "Folksy" ≠ Smart

Show me her IQ score, have her take a geography or civics test, or just have an interview with someone where she doesn't back up her platform with gut reaction, witticisms, and faith. Otherwise, I will stand by my belief that she is of diminished mental capacity, and I don't want anyone like that running their mouth, let alone the country.
by juszczak

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

To pretend that marriage in our modern society is anything but the outward expression of a couple's love for each other (ie: baby making, a cornerstone of stable families, etc.) is ridiculous. We don't live in a primitive village where we rely on our children to help with hunting, gathering, and taking care of the elderly.

Our country was founded on the precepts of individual rights and for anyone to deny those rights to a class of people is hypocritical and wrong.
by juszczak

A point for
Net Neutrality

For the same reason your electricity company can't tell you what kind of toaster to use, you should be protected from your ISP telling you what you can and can't do with the internet.
by juszczak

A point against
The term "slut" in everyday speech.

This term is misogynistic in nature. There is no similar term that is quite as DEROGATORY for a promiscuous man. The word reflects and reinforces a moral double standard against women regarding promiscuity. Granted, I'm not for promiscuity for either gender, but the moral double standard for women is not justified. It only serves to give men more leeway and women more boundaries, something our slightly misogynistic culture doesn't question. Some say the term is justified because "women can get pregnant" but I do not believe that is the reason why people hold that double standard. If a woman were born without a uterus people would still call her a "slut" for sleeping around a lot. Nobody says, "She's a slut! Oh, she's on birth control AND uses condoms? Well then she's less of a slut."
by Krista17

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

While it does reference a woman's sexual organ's excrement in a negative way, it is not misogynistic because there are similar words which reference a man's sexual organs (dick, scumbag, ...even asshole describes men though women have one as well.)

I agree with the verbal efficiency argument. Instead of saying "a spray-tanned orange guy with the popped collar over there hitting on his best friend's mom," it's easier to say "douchebag."
by Krista17

A point against
Net Neutrality

No, that denigrates the idea of net neutrality which means that all people pay the same costs to access and create internet content. This accessibility is what has made the internet such a vehicle for free and open expression of ideas. If the ISPs lobby congress and earn the right to charge content providers based upon bandwidth usage, than the Internet will change from a bastion of free speech to a more conventional kind of medium which grants expression only to those with a lot of money. Arguehow.com, for example, would have to pay a lot more money if it were to get a lot more popular and require more bandwidth usage. If a website does not make a profit, it will lose its right to be accessible. What will the internet look like then? Like television? Less like a marketplace of ideas and more like a place of only marketable ideas.
by Krista17

A point against
Obama's Afganistan Strategy

This is an argument against the technical nature of this very topic.

The subtitle "Is 30,000 more troops and 18 more months enough to fix the country?" is a loaded question. No single number or action is capable of "fixing the country," whatever the hell that means. This topic is skewed from the very beginning by the personal politics of the original poster.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Obama's Afganistan Strategy

While it's valid to set some timetables, I think it is ridiculous and politically hackish to broadcast them. If we should be there, then make the case for achieving the goal. Then use your discretion as far as a timetable. If we shouldn't be there, then get em all out. Again, the president is playing politics when people's lives are at stake.
by egorz13

A point against
Obama's Afganistan Strategy

One solid principle of warfare is that it is best to bring overwhelming force to bear. Why in the world is the president playing games with numbers. if the commanders think that more numbers are required then why not give them AT LEAST what they're asking for? It's a hedge that stinks of politics when people's lives are at stake.
by egorz13

A point against
Same Sex Marriage

Marriage benefits many groups such as individuals, religious people, and society. However, the question of how to define marriage should depend entirely on the benefits derived by society. Traditionally (all over the world and throughout history), marriage has been society's response to and provision for children and family. It defines the ideal relationship in which children are to be created and raised. Ideal for whom? Ideal for society. With the responsibility for caring for children placed squarely with a married couple the chances of ill effects for society decrease. Also, with that expectation in place there is (debatably) some deterrence effect for irresponsible reproduction.

There are many potential respones to the above.

-If you say that marriage has nothing to do with children, then I would ask you if all relationships provide the same, or any, benefit to society.
* If all relationships (hetero, homo, mulitple parties, incestual, etc.) provide the same benefit to society then why is society bothering to create special privileges or status for any of them. Wouldn't it make more sense to remove marriage altogther than to allow same sex marriage? Why spend any time on any of it if the benefits will happen regardless of the relationship a person embarks on?
* If not all relationships are equal, then what criteria would you use to permit marriage for some but not for others?

- If you say that not all marriages produce children, but yet we still allow them, then I would respond:
* You can't guarantee to catch anything when you go fishing, but you will certainly not catch a fish if you drop your line in the bathtub. Go fishing where the fish are. By fish I mean children, in case you were confused.
* The cost of the onerous invasion of privacy required to verify that children are produced or intended (not to mention the impossibility of such a task) would very much outweigh any benefit society gains by having marriage.

Ultimately, modern society doesn't care who you love, who you're committed to, or who you are having sex with. That doesn't mean, though, that society has to stop encouraging those relationships that provide benefit to all of us or that it has to encourage all relationships equally whether they provide a benefit or not. Is it a perfect system? No. I think it's still the best system though. I would also be in favor, in an individual rights/libertarian sort of way, in making it easier for people to direct the course of their lives (e.g. by being able to more easily direct who is to make decisions for them while they are incapacitated, better allowance for inheritance issues, hospital visitation).
by egorz13

A point against
Sarah Palin

This point is not directed solely at Sarah Palin. Instead, it is directed at what she is emblematic of. A long time ago our country stopped searching for the "best and brightest." Now, our voters seem to crave political leaders "who they can have a beer with" or who they think are like them. I, for one, want elected leaders to be really smart, thoughtful, pragmatic, a supporter of science, and not a "NASCAR dad", "soccer mom", or "hot moose hunting governor."

One commentator who has posted regarding this topic has complained that Sarah Palin is the victim of the leftist media conspiracy to destroy a strong conservative woman. However, without the soundbite and image driven media, Sarah Palin would not even be known. The utter lack of meaningful content in what we call "news" in the era of the internet is the exact genesis of politicians of Palin's ilk. The modern form of what passes for "journalism" is the reason why Abraham Lincoln would be nothing more than a fine lawyer today. The public's acceptance of flash over substance would doom any opportunity for Lincoln to lead our country. I find Palin and her supporter's criticisms of the media to be hollow; especially in light of the fact that it is the paparazzi form of news coverage that gave political birth to the "hot moose hunting governor." Americans should demand more for itself and stop settling.
by elwoodlaw

A point against
LOLspeak

The fear is not a general erosion of the English language. Instead, the harm of LOLspeak is the erosion of meaningful communication skills. Watch how teens communicate. The abbreviated communication breeds ambiguity and a general lack of thoughtful dialogue. I acknowledge, at times, there is a cost/time saving benefit of LOLspeak. However, to rely on it as a primary form of communication sacrifices connection, discussion, humanity, and intellect for a peppercorn of efficiency/laziness.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Everclear

Their song "Rockstar" is pretty catchy.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Everclear

It is an essential ingredient of Glogg (a traditional Swedish spiced wine). It is a tasty and warm beverage that makes the holidays a bit more tolerable. Also, it is flammable.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
Elton John

A vast number of songs that we all know, but publicly deny enjoying.
by elwoodlaw

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Improved quality of life for smokers. In a recent poll 85% of respondents reported a significant improvement in pulmonary funtion. 85%!!!!! If a ban takes place these people will be forced back to tobacco! Why would the government want people to feel ill?
by mynameismac

A point against
Nintendo Wii

Never has the Nintendo "Seal of Quality" meant less than its use on many of the Wii games out in the market today. Seriously, there are some awful games for the system that should have never seen the light of day, from even the best of publishers. The system has been out for three years - you would think by now, developers would have gotten a handle on a system as "technically inferior" as the Wii.
by drmusic45

A point for
Nintendo Wii

The success of the Wii has a lot to do with Nintendo's willingness to open up better relations with developers, while at the same time, creating an exciting platform for interactivity with a game.
by drmusic45

A point against
Seatbelt Laws

wearing a seatbelt should be a choice not a requirement. If you make someone wear a seatbelt because they can die from not wearing it, then you should make people stop smoking because it can kill you as well if you use it.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
The War on Drugs

If you have to fight the war, you may as well fight the war while on drugs.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Seatbelt Laws

Seatbelt laws allow law enforcement to charge the citizens with a lesser crime and give prosecutors a lesser charge that citizens may plea too. For example, a sheriff's deputy pulls over a middle aged woman with four crying children and a braying basset hound for speeding. Taking pity on her, he charges her with failure to wear a seatbelt instead of exceeding the speed limit by five miles per hour. A man shows up with a fleet of legal eagles to contest his speeding ticket. Deciding not to deal with the headache, the prosecutor can change the charge to reflect a failure to wear a seatbelt, if the citizen will accept a plea bargain.
by AtomBob

A point for
Windows 7

Windows 7 greatly improves upon Microsoft's client computer operating system taking advantage of least privilege.
by AtomBob

A point against
The War on Drugs

"If there is no victim, how can there be a crime? Drug prohibition breeds police corruption and abuse, for the temptation to make drug profits in the black market is very strong. Almost every major US city has had innocent citizens accidentally killed by police in pursuit of a drug bust. Under current law -- driven by the Drug War -- police need only "probable cause" before they can seize property of a 'suspected' drug dealer. This has become a major source of funds for law enforcement agencies as the value of property seized has soared into the hundreds of millions of dollars." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point for
Windows 7

Windows 7 comes with Powershell 2.0 installed, allowing command line administration of the workstation and servers running Windows Server 2008 R2 technology.
by AtomBob

A point against
The War on Drugs

"More Americans are imprisoned on drug charges than what Western Europe (with a bigger population) locks up for all offenses. This unprecedented mass incarceration has imposed an emormous burden on US taxpayers. The federal government faces multi-trillion dollar budget deficits and warns of reductions in social services, education, and the environment. The federal anti-drug budget, however, will increase by 4.7% this fiscal year to $12.468 billion dollars. From 1984 to 1996, California built 21 new prisons, and 1 new university. California state government expenditures on prisons increased 30% from 1987 to 1995, while spending on higher education decreased by 18%. This trend is echoed in every state of the nation." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

"The vast majority of people who use recreational drugs do not become addicts and do not need treatment. Most convicted criminals have used marijuana, as well as many other substances. There is no truth to the "Gateway Theory", as millions of Americans who admit to smoking pot do not desire harder drugs, and do not have life-ruining habits that began with pot smoking. Research on the efficacy of marijuana use is non-existant in the USA due to a prohibition on research. International research, however, shows that marijuana's medicinal properties are undeniable." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

"For what American spends on the Drug War, we could have a first-class health care system for everybody. Public health problems like HIV and Hepatitis C are exacerbated by zero tolerance laws that restrict access to clean needles. Millions of people who suffer from AIDs, cancer, and other wasting diseases find relief from smoking marijuana." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

"The War on Drugs is waged more harshly against the poor and minorities who don't have the resources to fight back. Draconian laws are never applied evenly to all people. African Americans comprise only 12.2% of the population but they make up 38% of those arrested for drug offenses and 59% of those convicted of drug offenses." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

"Our federal prisons literally are packed with non-violent drug offenders who often have no prior criminal record. People charged with simple drug possession quite often serve more time in jail than violent criminals ... and the violent ones are routinely released to make room for the drug offenders." - www.efficacy-online.org
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

Every dollar that goes towards the ridiculous War on Drugs is a dollar out of the taxpayers' pockets that could otherwise be spent on worthwhile programs.
by froggerus

A point against
The War on Drugs

The War on Drugs is legislation of morality. People are imprisoned for the purchasing and possession of substances they wish to put into their own bodies. Whether or not it is wise to do so health-wise, people should be allowed to do whatever they wish to themselves, provided it harms no one else.
by froggerus

A point for
Seatbelt Laws

Seatbelt laws help raise awareness as to the extreme benefits of using and severe effects of not using seatbelts, and the laws can save valuable lives, even if only as a side effect of not wanting to get a ticket.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Monty Python

More than anything else Monty Python introduced modern English humor to their Yank cousins. Today, we're still amused by their legacy like The Office, Fawlty Towers, and anything with Ricky Gervais in it.
by juszczak

A point against
Premium Gasoline

There may need to be a third column on ArgueHow: "Depends". I think many people misunderstand Premium Gasoline and don't really know when (or if) it should be used. Some engine types run optimally with a higher octane content, but you shouldn't think that putting it into your POS will make the engine run any better.
by juszczak

A point against
Home Schooling

The biggest argument I have against home schooling is that everyone seems to assume that anyone can teach, when this is absolutely not the case. Teaching is a gift, and deciding to home school your child (or children) implies that you believe that you can teach all subjects at every level better than anyone else that your child might have in a public or private school. I have a liberal arts degree, and am close to finishing a Ph.D., but I would never presume that I could provide my children with the knowledge in science, technology, and literature that they need to be happy, well-rounded, productive members of society. Instead, I see my role as parent is ensuring that my children remain academically challenged at home, that I am involved in their school activities, and that I provide a home environment that goes beyond and fills in the gaps that are present in public schools.
by wonkothesane

A point for
A Christmas Story

By playing "A Christmas Story" twenty-four hours a day, people can catch it whenever their holiday schedule allows, assuming they don't already have the DVD. And what's the alternative? Airing the hours-long strings of The Office, Seinfeld and George Lopez commercials, as usual?
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Large Hadron Collider

The LHC could be used to make anti-matter which could be stolen and used to destroy the Vatican, unless of course someone would grab the anti-matter at the last moment and take it high in the air in a helicopter and allow it to explode harmlessly.
by allonzo1

A point for
A Christmas Story

By putting it on endless repeat for a few days of the year, it gives TBS employees a much needed break.
by otm_shank

A point for
Marriage

One big incentive to being married is in the distribution of assets after the loss of a spouse. If a person is married and dies intestate (without a will), then most states give all of the estate to the spouse if there are no living children of the decedent (dead person); if there are living children of the decedent they split half of the estate while the remaining half is given to the surviving spouse. If the decedent was not married, and died intestate, it is likely the “life partner” would get nothing. In that case the estate would be distributed to the decedent’s closest family members, or absent living family members the estate would be given to the state.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Zombieland

Jesse Eisenberg is the most painful-to-watch actor who ever acted. He makes me want to go back to high school to beat him up.
by juszczak

A point against
Large Hadron Collider

The Higgs Boson doesn't want to be found. (See reference below)
by juszczak

A point against
Twitter

It seems to be nothing more than a communication tool to your fan club... if you had a fan club.
by juszczak

A point against
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Laws that protect people from being harmed by others make sense, but laws that protect people from themselves do not. A person should be allowed to choose, even at his own peril, whether or not to engage in risky behavior. Not wearing a helmet is risky behavior in that in the event of a motorcycle crash the person not wearing his helmet is more likely to be injured. So what? It is not the job of the state to act as a nanny. I wear my helmet for my own safety, not because the state tells me to.
by froggerus

A point against
Seatbelt Laws

Laws that protect people from being harmed by others make sense, but laws that protect people from themselves do not. A person should be allowed to choose, even at his own peril, whether or not to engage in risky behavior. Not wearing a seatbelt is risky behavior in that in the event of an automobile crash the person not wearing his seatbelt is more likely to be injured. So what? It is not the job of the state to act as a nanny. I wear my seatbelt for my own safety, not because the state tells me to.
by froggerus

A point for
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Mr. Huge; How are you not making a straw-man argument? "The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic." -- Wikipedia

The discussion is on motorcycle helmet laws. Not whether or not people should ride motorcycles or play in the NFL. I DON'T want to prohibit dangerous activities. I never once made that statement. Furthermore, wearing offensive t-shirts does not lead to loss of life. The emotional distress caused through offensive t-shirts is not equivalent to emotional distress caused through death. As I stated before, that is not even in the same ball park.

Furthermore, you switch the argument around and state that helmet laws restrict personal freedoms. Show me. Then you switch the argument around to say I am arguing to prohibit the NFL. Show me where I said no one should play football. The only mention of the NFL I made is that the NFL does not allow players to play without helmets. That is not equivalent to me saying the NFL should be prohibited because they force their players to wear helmets.
by otm_shank

A point for
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

You are making a straw-man argument. I am not making the argument against motorcycle riding..or the NFL. I support all modes of two wheel transportation. The NFL does not allow players to play without a helmet. Period. Again, the point is not against riding a motorcycle or partaking in dangerous sports. However, on public highways and roads, as driving is not a right, people are not free to ride as they please. If a motorcyclist dies in a car accident and his or her life could have been spared by simply wearing a helmet, then why should the surviving car driver(s) suffer the emotional distress that goes along with killing someone? I don't see it as inhibiting freedom in any way shape or form. Who is stopping you from riding?
by otm_shank

A point against
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

People who ride motorcycles, and I am a former motorcycle rider, know the risks of riding without a helmet or other protective gear. Driving a car during a snow storm is also dangerous, but would you support a prohibition on driving during inclement weather? People get injured in professional motor-sport, should we ban that as well? New studies suggest that professional football players are suffering long term effects caused by head trauma, should the government outlaw the NFL because it is inherently dangerous? Clearly the answer to all of those questions must be “no.” People are free to decide how to live their lives, even if they make poor decisions. Mandatory helmet laws would simply be another arbitrary restriction on personal freedoms.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Mr. Huge; It's a point for and not the only reason motorcyclists should wear helmets. That being said, harsh language and loud clothing is not even on the same level as a motorcyclist being killed because they refused to wear a helmet. We have seat belt laws for a reason. Helmet laws are no different.
by otm_shank

A point against
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Otm_shank; are you seriously arguing that motorcyclists should wear helmets to protect others from EMOTIONAL DISTRESS? Are there any other personal autonomies we should disregard to ensure people have a nice day? Should we ask the state to pass laws against harsh language and loud clothing?
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Ruby on Rails

Brought the Ruby programming language more into the mainstream.
by otm_shank

A point against
Ruby on Rails

Created an army of fanboys and ignited a mountain of ridiculous framework flame wars all over the Web.
by otm_shank

A point against
Everclear

There is nothing social about this beverage. It has one purpose: to make you so completely drunk you black out or forget how to be human. People who drink everclear with this intent ought to start asking questions like:
Why do I need to be this drunk?
and
Will I get help before my liver implodes?
by Uklamok

A point for
Punditry

Punditry is nothing new or even that dirty compared to earlier american politics. We are a bit more exposed to it because 24 hour news stations need to fill time and keep pulling in viewers when there is no real news to cover. I would never call what they do journalism. But it does give the viewers something they either identify with or something they can point to and say, "I stand in opposition to all these people represent."
by Uklamok

A point against
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

Fresh supply of organ donors every year.
by Uklamok

A point for
Large Hadron Collider

... because people who are for it have a Large Hardons for Large Hadrons.
by otm_shank

A point for
Microsoft's Ad Campaign

I think the commercials with the cute little Asian girl are cute, the cat in the marshmallows are my favorite.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Ruby on Rails

Open source and free.
by juszczak

A point for
Ruby on Rails

Remarkably stable and secure.
by juszczak

A point against
Ruby on Rails

As with many frameworks, you have to know ALL of it to know ANY of it. Very steep learning curve.
by juszczak

A point against
Windows 7

Microsoft did not learn their lesson from Vista regarding the confusing number of editions. There are currently six on the market: Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate.
by juszczak

A point against
Windows 7

Microsoft's marketing strategy for Windows 7 is awful/confusing/terrifying.
by juszczak

A point for
Windows 7

It runs very well on older hardware.
by juszczak

A point against
Windows 7

No simple upgrade from XP to 7.
by otm_shank

A point for
Motorcycle Helmet Laws

In the event of a traffic collision, a helmet can mean the difference between walking away and being buried six feet under. Why should those involved in a traffic collision suffer further emotional distress all because of the absence of a simple helmet? Driving is not a right. Helmets and seat belts save lives.
by otm_shank

A point against
Nikon Digital SLRs

Nikon chose Ashton Kutcher when they could have had Maria Sharapova...
by otm_shank

A point against
Nikon Digital SLRs

Nikon DOES use Ashton Kutcher for their ad spots.
by juszczak

A point against
Punditry

Modern punditry blurs the lines between what is straight-edge, actual journalism based on available facts and opinionated talking points disseminated from political think tanks, PACs and other agenda driven organizations.
by otm_shank

A point for
Punditry

More often than not there are multiple sides and angles to every story, punditry exposes and makes accessible these sides to the average person.
by otm_shank

A point against
Nikon Digital SLRs

Typically, they're more expensive than their Canon counterparts.
by juszczak

A point for
Nikon Digital SLRs

Nikon has always made their camera bodies much more ergonomic than their competitors. Their cameras always feel very natural in my hand.
by juszczak

A point against
Bluetooth Headsets

I never know if people are on the phone or are crazy and talking to themselves when walking down the street.
by juszczak

A point for
Bluetooth Headsets

it is a convenient way to talk on the phone while you are in the car or even while walking around the house. Sometimes phones can get overheated, and burn your face, the bluetooth keeps the phone away from your face and still keeps you connected. It is a simple invention to keep the roads safe and your hands free. It is truly an engineering marvel, and a way to keep busy Americans connected and multitasking.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Crudding

I think that it is all part of life, not everyone can be a winner. As a result people have to know that their comments are not good.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Punditry

There seems to be a direct relationship between the increase in punditry in the media with the polarization of the political system. The center is rapidly draining to the right and left because the talking heads push their audience further to the edges of the political spectrum.
by juszczak

A point for
School Uniforms

Wearing uniforms eliminate the distractions of personal dress including economic status.
by juszczak

A point for
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

When I make a decision that affects the safety and well being of my family I use a different thought process than when I am interacting with a set of my peers. For example, if I were planning a golf outing with some friends, I would compromise on where and what time we would have our outing. If, on the other hand, i was at a public park and a stranger beganhovering over my grandchild in a threatening manner, i would act quickly to make him leave. I would not consider the fact that we are in a public place and he has as much right to occupy the grounds as my child and I do. He has sovereignty, but I am charged to protect my family. That is my first priority.
With regard to Iran, Many people, including our President, believe that Iran poses a clear and present danger to the world. I do not fathom how someone would endorse Iran's nuclear program. I am interested to know what would be their response to the scenario put forth above, and whether or not they see parallelism between it and the Iran nuclear weapons scenario.
by allonzo1

A point for
Bluetooth Headsets

They can be used in conjunction with a hood or hat to keep from exposing ones entire face to talk on the phone during the winter time. I cannot count the number of times I've seen people standing outside a noisy business to talk on a phone, even in the dead of winter.
by Uklamok

A point for
E-Cigarettes

They have kept me off of tobacco since January 2009. Nothing else has given me such success in quitting smoking.
by kamanjah

A point against
Reality TV

Promotes a culture of self-obsessed, narcissistic individuals seeking quick and easy fame through faux-reality scenarios and situations.
by otm_shank

A point against
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

It's easy to preach nuclear non-proliferation while perched atop the most god-awful heap of nukes the world has ever seen.

"What, these old thing? These are just leftovers from the Cold War. They're still pointed at Russia, and Russia's dismantled for God's sake. It's not even fair to call them nuclear armaments, really. They're more like museum artifacts. Now... quit building nukes."

It's nice to be The World Police and all, but if we truly expect the world to buy us a Coke, we need to level the playing field through outrageous nuclear disarmament, which is never going to happen.

So, really... who are we to say, "America can, but Iran can't. Go democracy!"?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

Using the term "douchebag" does not illustrate laziness but rather expressive efficiency.
by otm_shank

A point against
World Series of Poker

It's neither a sport nor a travel destination...why is it on ESPN and the Travel Channel?
by otm_shank

A point for
Atheism

"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking." - Bill Maher
by otm_shank

A point against
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

Needs more slide whistle. Not enough slide whistle to commentary ratio.
by otm_shank

A point against
Sarah Palin

She quit a 5k.
by otm_shank

A point for
Same Sex Marriage

The very question should sound as ridiculous as if you substituted the word 'interracial' for 'same-sex'. And since there seem to be no good secular objections to gay marriage, there should be no opposition from the states.
by froggerus

A point for
LOLspeak

Languages are always fluid and changing over time. Dialects can eventually become entirely different languages, unable to be understood by speakers of the root language. While I agree that LOLspeak is largely the result of people who can't spell attempting to write, and though it annoys me to no end, I have to accept that people speak it, seem to understand it even. Besides, it poses no threat to proper English. If convention, over time, forces words like 'ain't' into the lexicon, so be it; it seems unlikely that 'deez' will replace 'these' in the dictionary any time soon.
by froggerus

A point for
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

While deferring action in anticipation of Israel standing up to Iran is a convenient, albeit cowardly strategy, this is a tragic approach. Iran, whose boarders stretch the Persion Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, could easily close the 2 mile shipping lane in the Strait of Hormuz. In fact Iran has already theatened this action if they are attacked by anyone. Through the Straits flow 20 percent of oil traded worldwide. This would spell economic panic the world has yet to see other than during the world wars. A united world approach is needed.
by allonzo1

A point against
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

The Israelis will take care of the problem long before the UN or the USA get around to deciding what if anything should be done since most of the missiles would be pointed at them in the first place.
by Uklamok

A point for
Beethoven's 9th symphony

Beethoven was deaf when he composed this symphony. Its strength and recognition are both remarkable, even apart from his disability. This work marks the culmination of his already very impressive and groundbreaking career.
by spazol

A point against
Bacon

The high temperature frying of foodstuffs containing the preservative sodium nitrite creates highly carcinogenic chemicals called nitrosamines. Crispy bacon can kill you!
by allonzo1

A point for
Bacon

There are whole religions based on denying their masses this ambrosia. What other food has sparked so controversy? Moreover, I posit that the Forbidden Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge was not the apple. Nay!!! It was Smoked Bacon from the Belly of the Pig! Okay... maybe it was applewood smoked.
by amichalski

A point for
Home Schooling

Having been home schooled myself, I thought the topic of this thread was "Home Schlong." Which is obviously, far better and more interesting. By the way, I've decided that "Home Schlong" shall be my new nickname.
by amichalski

A point for
Atlas Shrugged

Without it, there would be no Bioshock. Humorously, Bioshock takes objectivism to its ridiculous/logical extreme to show the result of a society that placed the success of the individual ahead of the health and survival of the society itself. Odd how the Ayn Rand Institute cries foul when someone turns their philosophy into the straw-man. Incidentally if you haven't yet, would you kindly play Bioshock?
by amichalski

A point against
Bluetooth Headsets

For a good stretch there, they were the masculine equivalent of the Coach purse or shoes. They became the pager of the current generation, but at least the pager clipped to your waist -- not your face. "Wow, you have a pager? Are you a doctor?" gave way to "A pager? You couldn't think of a better way to waste $15 a month?" Just as such, "You have a Bluetooth headset? Are from the future?" has given way to "Look who had $15 burning a hole in their pocket." I firmly believe that they all should proclaim in magnificent flashing lights "DILDO" the entire time spent affixed to an ear. Maybe that's what it will take to get people to realize what a status symbol they are. The status of douchenozzle.
by amichalski

A point against
Verizon

There pricing structure isn't very competitive when you start looking at newer, higher-end phones. This rings especially true when you consider that their hardware prices are substantially less attractive now.
by amichalski

A point for
Verizon

Their price points for voice plans are very attractive.
by amichalski

A point against
Verizon

For years they have been hobbling their phones. Smart phones made dumb by firmware limitations and inability to download apps. Phones that were designed to play mp3s aren't allowed to because they hadn't yet perfected their way to sell said mp3s. They still don't allow customers to access the SIM cards thereby trapping you into buying your phone from them at their price.
by amichalski

A point against
LOLspeak

LOLspeak is thinly-veiled illiteracy for halfwits who have been launched into a universe where communication is almost exclusively executed in writing, a medium in which they sputter and flounder but cannot be bothered to either improve or withstand criticism.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
LOLspeak

im in ur argumintz, renderin ur pointz invalid lol
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Verizon

While the new Droid may change this fact, Verizon has yet to have the "it" phone.
by amichalski

A point against
Sarah Palin

While I have yet to see anything that establishes her as a politician of any merit, I wouldn't kick her out of bed. I, however, would kick every single one of the Founding Fathers out. So, by my "kick out of bed" system, Sarah Palin gets two thumbs down... at my groin... which is giving her one "thumb" up.
by amichalski

A point for
Women

Can't live without 'em.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

Fortunately for us, IRAN is a small piece of real estate on the global map. The day they start shit, they turn into a sandbox.

So let them do what they want. We need target practice anyways.
by BigJimW

A point for
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

Iran should be bombed off the face of the map
by BigJimW

A point against
E-Cigarettes

A black market. The big problem we face in a potential ban is the inevitable "black market" that is going to follow by these sleazy fly by night operations that will come into place to make a quick buck and may sell a product that could potentially kill. Much like prohabition did when people made home made hootch that ended up blinding and killing people who were drinking anti-freeze. The US woke up and realized prohabition wasn't working and lifted it. But that was little too late for the dead people resulted from it and when the mob was born and infamous names like Al Capone rose to the surface.

And once again the US will figure out it is losing the battle and will back off. But I guess more people will need to die and more "Al Capones" need to be born before this wonderful "country" we live in wakes up and figures that out too.
by BigJimW

A point for
Stephen King Novels

I've always found Stephen King novels to be thin as a whole, but I've always found a great deal of satisfaction in each individual sentence or idea. For instance, it's easy to dismiss "It" as a book about a scary clown, but the true purpose of the book is not walk away with applicable knowledge of how to defeat scary clowns. It's about a connection with the desires and fears of the characters, as is the case with all of his books, and the effect is executed with elegance. Each character says and does very rich and interesting things... within the construct of fighting a scary clown.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Iran should be prohibited from developing uranium enrichment technology.

I assume you mean "By whom." Be that as it may, sovereignty has been the key arguing point against the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty both before and since its signing in 1968. If this is the basis of your dialectic then. we must take it to its limit. If all states and peoples are sovereign, then when it comes to nuclear weaponry, those in favor of sovereignty must also stand behind the premise that anyone with enough money should be able to buy nuclear weapons. Does that make any sense at all. The world community of 189 nations has spoken, and wisely so. Nuclear weaponry and its technology must be controlled. Hear, hear.
by allonzo1

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Patches, gum, and other nicotine replacement therapies (NRTs) provide nicotine to curb the chemical dependency that tobacco users have. However, NRTs do not provide a means to replace the physical habit of placing a cigarette to your mouth and inhaling through it. Unlike these other NRTs, e-cigarettes allow people to replace both the chemical dependency on nicotine and physical habits, with a similar act.
by lunaras

A point against
Boobs

On a 80 year old and they sag on the floor, they're not so attractive anymore.
by BigJimW

A point for
Boobs

On a 20 year old hottie, they're attractive. See my AGAINST part
by BigJimW

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Electronic Cigarettes, while still an unknown territory, are clearly a much safer alternative than your conventional cigarette. Cigarettes have over 2000 known chemicals and over 60 carcinogens with each puff. The electronic cigarette has 20 known carcinogens in such a diluted state that the New Zealand report found the hazard minimal at best. The FDA found the same levels but kept the public in the dark about it. Also please note that your standard NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) such as the gums and lozenges contain the same carcinogens that what was found in the e-cig, and they have only a 10% success rate, at best. While the e-cig is NOT a stop smoking aid, it has over a 90% success rate in keeping people off of real cigarettes.
by BigJimW

A point for
E-Cigarettes

E-cigarettes give off very little to no odor, preventing the user from having the characteristic lingering smell of having just smoked a cigarette.
by lunaras

A point for
E-Cigarettes

The e-cigarette does not emit any smoke and so bystanders cannot be harmed by second-hand smoke.
by lunaras

A point against
President Barack Obama

So far his promise to get the economy back on track and create new jobs has been a failure. Unemployment rates still climb and as more people run out of unemployment benefits and are tossed out on the street, it creates a false impression of a "recovery". Where will the new jobs come from he promises is yet to be seen.
by BigJimW

A point for
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

As far as the irregular schedule of the show, different people have different patterns of podcast listening, no doubt, and my pattern is to listen to a bunch of episodes of any given podcasts in a row. So if there are no 13GNEs available for a few weeks, there are thousands of other podcasts to tie me over in the meantime. Which is not to say that the episodes shouldn't keep coming, but most listeners will understand that it's kind of a difficult job to put out an hour-long episode every week.
by froggerus

A point for
President Barack Obama

First African American president.
by BigJimW

A point for
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

The show will get better as time goes by. A return listen to some earlier episodes of other favorite podcasts reveals that they weren't all that great at first compared to what they would later become, much like suffering through early episodes of the Simpsons, which was initially just an animated sitcom with a nice, happy, feel-good ending. 13GNE cannot fairly be judged against other podcasts that have been around for years; it needs to be compared to its own past episodes.
by froggerus

A point against
E-Cigarettes

Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
by BigJimW

A point for
E-Cigarettes

The argument that they are being marketed to kids is outlandish. First off it is a very large initial investment for the equiptment. It is much easier for kids to buy their marlboros at the local convieniance store. Second, the fruit flavors are no to being targeted to kids. The ban on flavored cigarettes is a joke, because the only flavor NOT banned, menthol, is allowed and the only flavor "kids" use. If anything, real cigarettes ARE the gateway to the electronic ones, and not the other way around as the FDA and groups like ASH and Tobacco Free Kids wants you to believe.
by BigJimW

A point for
E-Cigarettes

The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
by BigJimW

A point for
E-Cigarettes

The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
by BigJimW

A point against
Android Phones

Disconnected hardware ecosystem. Google's writing the software and other manufacturers are making the devices. Most handsets are klunky and poorly designed.
by juszczak

A point for
Android Phones

Most Andrioid phones have a physical keyboard, a must for some users.
by juszczak

A point for
Android Phones

Tethering.
by juszczak

A point against
Android Phones

Even though the operating system has shown a great deal of improvement since 1.0, it has still not achieved the polish of Apple's iPhone user experience.
by juszczak

A point for
Android Phones

A much more open market for applications than the iPhone. Developer's do not have to get anyone's permission to write an app for Android.
by juszczak

A point for
Graduate School

Many people get a master's for a subject they did not get their bachelor's in. For instance, one can get a degree in MIS, but then get a master's in Finance.
by juszczak

A point for
Graduate School

Most people earn their bachelor's before they have an idea what they really want to do. Going out after a few years of real world experience and getting a master's can supplement a now solid foundation of learning.
by juszczak

A point against
Animal Rights

The issue should more reasonbly be reduced to anti-cruelty. Anything more is ridiculous. What good are animal rights if those rights don't include the right to not be eaten or the right of self determination (no pets)?
by egorz13

A point against
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

I'm afraid the hosts do not have the time to record and post a show on a weekly basis. To build and maintain an audience the show needs to be available on the website at the same time every week or every other week. Not knowing when the show is going to be available makes me less likey to make it part of my routine.
by Uklamok

A point against
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

The hosts are occasionally unprepared to talk about the topics they selected or just blow through topics in an effort to get to the end of the show. If the hosts do not sound like they are having a good time talking about things they want to talk about they will have a hard time getting the listeners to come back for the next show.
by Uklamok

A point for
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

The sound on the show is great. The conversations are engaging. It is also quite fun to be a guest host and be proven right about the entire walmart is going to get into it with amazon thing weeks after jeff said I was wrong.
by Uklamok

A point against
Dragon Age: Origins

Even on normal difficulty, the game can get mercilessly difficult. Your group of four is constantly outnumbered and outgunned, and God help you if you're going up against a mage with a fireball spell. It forces you to think about your group dynamic constantly, but more importantly, it can sometimes make you regret your character choice.
by drmusic45

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Tests have been done in new zealand which showed that e-cigs are in fact much safer. A closer look at the FDA study shows that their press release was misleading (on purpose?) and that their own study pretty much proves that e-cigs are far safer then burning tobacco
by mynameismac

A point against
13 Guys Named Ed Podcast

Not updated regularly. Sporadic.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Home Schooling

Home schoolers are receiving athletic scholarships. Both the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) recognize the legitimacy of home school diplomas and transcripts, making them eligible for athletic scholarships in colleges throughout the country.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Facebook

The settings do not default to the highest level of privacy. Many people who use facebook are not internet or security savvy and give up a lot of information that they ought to keep private.
by Uklamok

A point against
Euthanasia

Given the economic grounds for voluntary euthanasia, critics of voluntary euthanasia are concerned that patients may experience psychological pressure to consent to voluntary euthanasia rather than be a financial burden on their families.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Graduate School

A great way to avoid trying to break into the job market in this terrible economy.
by Uklamok

A point for
High School Reunion

Facebook is not a replacement for being in the same room with people and seeing if the person they are is the person you remember. People change and a high school reunion is a great way to see people you have a shared background and memory with.
by Uklamok

A point against
Kickball

While in kindergarten I loved duck-duck-goose; however, once I mastered the whole run-in-a-circle thing I moved on to bigger and better games. Kickball is similar in that it teaches a few skills, but for grown-ups it’s a limited experience. The limited experience is evidenced in the lack of great plays or players. Who is the Michael Jordan, the Babe Ruth, or the Pelé of Kickball? There hasn’t been one because there can never be “great” Kickball players. The low athletic requirements to play Kickball, combined with the self-limiting rules of the game, mean that practically everybody can be a Kickball master. Therefore, adults who celebrate Kickball are simply celebrating mediocrity.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Kickball

Kicking the ball only requires thinking about two dimensions, versus the three dimensions involved with slugging a baseball or softball, making the game more enjoyable to the less-athletically inclined.
by froggerus

A point for
Premium Gasoline

I used to drive a car which would run on regular or premium gas, and when I put premium in the tank I would get 4-6 additional miles per gallon. So from my experience it appears that premium gas allowed my engine to run more efficiently.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Trader Joe's

Trader Joe’s is awesome for a number of reasons. 1) For a “specialty supermarket” it really isn’t that much more expensive then other national chain markets; and a good number of items are actually a lot less expensive at Trader Joe’s. 2) The foods carried by Trader Joe's are, generally speaking, very tasty. 3) The people working at Trader Joe's are absurdly friendly and helpful, probably because they are paid above-union wages. 4) Peppermint Jo-Joe’s.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Bears 09-10 Season

We need a new defensive package. The cover two just doesn't work without a healthy Urlacher.
by Mr. Huge

A point against
Graduate School

A masters (or graduate) degree will not help you get a position for which a bachelor’s degree is required. Why? An employer is not going to subsidize your education when expertise is not necessary. Why purchase a thoroughbred when all you need is a cart horse? If you are looking for a position with a requisite base level of education, then obviously you will not find a job without the further schooling. Having said that; grad school is expensive and you are not guaranteed to find your dream job once you graduate, or for that matter find any job that lets you live comfortably while paying off student loans. With the economy in the toilet bowl it is difficult to get a job regardless of your level of education.
by Mr. Huge

A point for
Windows 7

I'm generally anti-Microsoft -- to me, the only truly innovative product it's released over the past 10 years has been the Xbox franchise -- but I have to begrudingly admit: I like Windows 7. The new taskbar with its preview windows just makes things a lot easier. And it boots in a decent time.
by Edward_Diesel

A point against
Graduate School

It depends on what you're studying. Graduate School for mechanical engineering? Very useful. 18th-century French poetry? Not so much.
by Edward_Diesel

A point for
Making the Bed

I never made my bed until I lived on my own, then I was embarrassed to have company over. If you have an unmade bed and you're over 20 you might as well walk around in GI Joe jammies all day.
by Edward_Diesel

A point against
Making the Bed

If I'm having guests over, of course I'll make the bed; although saying "it looks like an adult may live there" is begging the question. But if I'm just going to work for the day and returning home, and nobody's coming over, what purpose does making the bed serve, other than appealing to the obsessive-compulsive?
by froggerus

A point for
Bottled water

if you do use the plastic bottle, you can reuse it.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Dragon Age: Origins

While some may decry the story for not being original enough, the execution of the story was far more interesting. I gave lots of thought to every conversation decision I made, as I believed it had a serious impact on the rest of the game. I believe Bioware executed the story very well, better than most games of its ilk do.
by drmusic45

A point for
Kickball

It has a low initial investment (ball, people, open area) and it's great for team building (assuming you're not one of the ones who's always picked last). Additionally, it teaches self-control and responsibility, because if you kick the ball out of the park, YOU have to go get it. AND you're Out. Jerk.
by drmusic45

A point for
Jazz

One of the best things I can say about jazz is that you can hear the same song on 30 different albums, played by 20 different groups, and it will sound unique, fresh, and inventive each time. The constant need for reinvention is what keeps jazz interesting.
by drmusic45

A point for
Windows 7

I find myself getting frustrated with operating systems that have nothing akin to Aero Snap. Dragging windows to the edges to organize and resize them? Brilliant. I catch myself trying to do that in OS X, and being very frustrated that I can't.
by drmusic45

A point against
Beethoven's 9th symphony

Lasting more than an hour, the Ninth was an exceptionally long symphony for its time. Like much of Beethoven's later music, his Ninth Symphony is demanding for all the performers, including the choir and soloists.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Peer to Peer File Sharing

Some researchers have explored the benefits of enabling virtual communities to self-organize and introduce incentives as a resource sharing and cooperation, arguing that what is missing from today's peer-to-peer systems should be seen both as a goal and a means for self-organized virtual communities to be built and fostered. Ongoing research efforts for designing effective incentive mechanisms in P2P systems, based on principles from game theory are beginning to take on a more psychological and information-processing direction.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Peer to Peer File Sharing

Modern hashing, chunk verification and different encryption methods have made most networks resistant to almost any type of attack, even when major parts of the respective network have been replaced by faked or nonfunctional hosts.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Peer to Peer File Sharing

As with most network systems, unsecure and unsigned codes may allow remote access to files on a victim's computer or even compromise the entire network. When anti-P2P companies managed to introduce faked chunks into downloads, files were unusable afterwards or even contained malicious code.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Peer to Peer File Sharing

When you aren't stealing this is a great way to distribute media. It takes the onus off of one sight to host a file provide for a large amount of bandwidth. It is also a good way for an artist who is getting started to distribute their own music without incurring the cost of hosting it on a site.
by Uklamok

A point against
Medicinal Marijuana

You are smoking harmful chemicals. THC pills have been made and would be proscribed by doctors if they thought that was the best way to manage a problem. These people aren't looking to take medicine. They are looking to get high.
by Uklamok

A point against
Medicinal Marijuana

"Usually, drugs have to pass exacting testing by the Food and Drug Administration before they go on the market. There's a good reason for this: we don't want people spending money on products that might be ineffective or actually harmful. In California and elsewhere, however, snake oil -- sorry, "medical marijuana" -- got on the market via a different route: popular referendum. The pot for sale in dispensaries is subject to none of the purity controls that actual pharmaceutical drugs must meet. Indeed, the new DOJ policy essentially recognizes a gray market for pot, leaving these supposedly seriously ill people at the mercy of their dealers -- I mean caregivers -- with respect to quality and efficacy."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Making the Bed

Making the bed can be apart of your daily routine, like brushing your teeth. If you don't make your bed, it just looks sloppy. at the end of the night there is just a great feeling of getting in a made bad. It sort of gives a nostalgic feeling.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Making the Bed

If you're having guests over, it looks like an adult may live there.
by juszczak

A point for
Medicinal Marijuana

The Cannabis Cafe in Portland, Oregon, is the first to give certified medical marijuana users a place to get hold of the drug and smoke it -- as long as they are out of public view -- despite a federal ban.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Beethoven's 9th symphony

it is one of the most famous pieces of music, widely recognized.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Bottled water

easy to grab on the go, especially when you are not around a drinking fountain/faucet.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Graduate School

Because more and more people are going to college it seems like a masters is becoming the norm just the same as a bachelors was. Eventually I believe that their will be something higher than a Doctorate, because eventually if you want a job with substance you will have to get a doctorate.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
High School Reunion

very unneeded especially with the advent of Facebook. All you have to do is awkwardly ask them questions online opposed to face to face, that way they can't tell how board you are when they talk about their kids, pets(especially cats), or jobs that sort of seem better than yours.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Marriage

I love pizza, but that doesn't mean I want to eat pizza every day for the rest of my life.
by froggerus

A point against
Large Hadron Collider

The mini black holes may not destroy the universe but this could certainly lead to terrifying new weapons technologies.
by Uklamok

A point against
Credding

I'm seeing a lot of credding crudding arguments people agree with or disagree with. People who enjoy a popular point of view can put up weak arguments against their own argument and due to the weight of their popular opinion the bad argument raises much farther than it should, quite possibly to the top.
by Uklamok

A point for
Large Hadron Collider

It's finally operational!
by JackCNewell

A point against
Bacon

Currently, an animal has to die in order for you to enjoy it. This is not quite the same as "Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten," but it's close.
by froggerus

A point for
Magnetism

Maglevs.
by froggerus

A point for
Free Condoms in High Schools

Children should still be discouraged from engaging in sexual intercourse, but should nonetheless be made aware that there is a such thing as safer sex to combat teen pregnancy and the transmission of STDs.
by froggerus

A point for
Credding

An idea could also be crudded out of sheer popularity, rather than clear and concise rationale. This helps balance out the equation.

by froggerus

A point against
Making the Bed

No, because I'm just going to have to unmake the bed when I jump into tonight, and Better Homes and Gardens is not coming over for a photo shoot today.
by froggerus

A point for
Animal Rights

Some things, like cows, feel pain. Others, like rocks, do not. If, to the best of our knowledge, a thing cannot feel pain, then we have no moral responsibility towards it. On the other hand, if something can experience pain, we ought not hurt it.
by froggerus

A point against
Peer to Peer File Sharing

If artists want to give their music away, they do so on their websites. People do not have the right to just "share" intellectual property without compensation to the artist. And it's a bullshit argument that there are no lost sales because people who listen and like will buy while those who don't would never have bought the album, movie, TV show anyway. If I would never have bought some other product, like say a car, I don't just get to keep the car. So if you stream a song and like it, much like test driving a car, you then have the option to buy it. If someone were somehow able to give you an instant copy of a vehicle, much like sharing an MP3, whether or not you decided you liked it, you still have an automobile that you didn't pay for. And the more that people file share, the less profit there is for the artist, which in turn might take away a lot of incentive for said artist to make him music, craft, etc., and the higher the price of the product for those who purchase legally.
by froggerus

A point for
Euthanasia

You don't have a choice when coming into this world, but you definitely have a choice when going out. If you want to end your life and are unable to do so on your own, people should be allowed to help you, provided there are witnesses to attest that you wanted to end your life (to avoid murder under the guise of suicide).
by froggerus

A point for
Atheism

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
— Steven Weinberg
by froggerus

A point against
High School Reunion

The people from high school that I have desired to maintain contact with, I have maintained contact with, however tenuous. High school reunions become less and less relevant in the age of social media.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Large Hadron Collider

The Large Hadron Collider is expected to provide experimental evidence as to the Higgs boson's existence or non-existence. The Higgs boson particle is one quantum component of the theoretical Higgs field. In empty space, the Higgs field has an amplitude different from zero; i.e., a non-zero vacuum expectation value. The existence of this non-zero vacuum expectation plays a fundamental role: it gives mass to every elementary particle which has mass, including the Higgs boson itself. In particular, the acquisition of a non-zero vacuum expectation value spontaneously breaks electroweak gauge symmetry, which scientists often refer to as the Higgs mechanism. This is the simplest mechanism capable of giving mass to the gauge bosons while remaining compatible with gauge theories. In essence, this field is analogous to a pool of molasses that "sticks" to the otherwise massless fundamental particles which travel through the field, converting them into particles with mass which form, for example, the components of atoms.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Atheism

Faith was not responsible for the plane crashes of September 11th, 2001; radical fanaticism was responsible for the plane crashes of September 11th, 2001. To suggest that global atheism would abolish radical fanaticism is to turn a blind eye to human nature. It's easy to blame religion for all of the bad things in the world (and there are plenty of instances in which it's true), but if maniacal destruction didn't happen in the name of religion, it would happen in the name of love, or money, or nation, or family, or good ol' fashioned vengeance. And, if you ask me, the plane crashes of September 11th, 2001 were about all of the above, with a little religion thrown in for good measure.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Atheism

Just because it might feel better to think there is life after death is no reason to live in self-delusion. And while faith might cause some people to do good (which is immoral, since they simply act on a reward/punishment system), it was also responsible for September 11th.
by froggerus

A point for
Facebook

It's a great way to keep friends and family in the loop of the small details in your life. It allows people a way in which to express the small things in their day-to-day without hundreds of intrusive or seemingly-vain phone calls or e-mails. Somehow, a mass e-mail to all your friends and relatives that you just found fifty dollars on the sidewalk seems incredibly self-involved. But as a Facebook status update, people will be right there with you.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Facebook

Facebook has definitely reinforced and reconnected old friendships; friendships that may have otherwise never been rekindled. Facebook has been directly responsible for numerous lunches and dinners with people I haven't been in contact with for fifteen or twenty years.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Atheism

Whether or not there is a God or a god or a supreme being or a flying spaghetti monster, there is something to be said for a system of self-delusion that allows one to allay the fears of inevitable oblivion. I know many people who take comfort in the general theory of God, gods, higher beings, ghosts, afterlives and the such. Whether or not they believe with any intensity, it's nice for them to be able to say, "Maybe after I die, I get candy."

I often times wish that I had never abandoned my faith. Or that it had never abandoned me. Or whatever. True nothingness is as scary as Hell (literally) and the very idea of it bucks against every natural impulse of self-preservation. My parents believe that they will move on to a better place; I believe that I will be forever deactivated. Who's better off?
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Large Hadron Collider

Even if it could generate a black hole and instantly annihilate us all, don't worry. According to physicists, the Large Hadron Collider creates particles that go back in time and shut down the Large Hadron Collider to prevent it from creating the particles that go back in time and shut down the Large Hadron Collider. That's why it'll never work.

"A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Atheism

Everyone is born an atheist. They have to be taught about the existence of nonsense like sky gods. Atheism is simply the default.
by froggerus

A point against
Lady Gaga

Her primary claim to fame is having little to no clothes on.

Also, she sings.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Lady Gaga

I think her nose is sexy.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Beethoven's 9th symphony

It's a beautiful piece of music.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Everclear

A great way to spruce up that boring, ol' watermelon.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Bears 09-10 Season

We need an offensive line.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Everclear

Everclear
by JackCNewell

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

If marijuana had been rendered illegal in an effort to protect people from themselves, all McDonald's fast food outlets would be speakeasies.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Lady Gaga

Her music is seemingly the next Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, or whatever flavor of the month. But, her look is a mixture between high fashion and 1970's NYC alt-rock scene. She's an interesting mixture of styles.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Lady Gaga

She is incredibly talented. Check out this live acoustic version of "Poker Face".
by JackCNewell

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

Legalizing marijuana would be a crucial first step in ending the ridiculous War on Drugs. Over half of the population of federal prisons are drug offenders. Valuable resources that could be used to deter real crime are being spent on arresting, prosecuting, and imprisoning drug offenders. And as unhealthy as drugs are to people's health, it should be their choice whether or not they put substances into their bodies.
by froggerus

A point against
Credding

An idea could be credded out of sheer popularity, rather than clear and concise rationale.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Premium Gasoline

It's bourgeois.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Microsoft's Ad Campaign

Generally, ads for Microsoft seems like the fevered dreams of a recovering heroin addict. They rarely make sense; they rarely adhere to a singular, coherent theme; they often think of themselves as outlandishly clever; and they often leave the viewer waiting for a message or a punchline that never arrives.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Sarah Palin

She's a fascinating woman who will make a great talk show host on Fox News.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Bacon

It's an obsession! Food fads are not good for the culinary arts.

One day we'll look back on bacon like we do bell bottoms or leg warmers.

Get over it!
by JackCNewell

A point for
Søren Kierkegaard

He is the name sake of one "Soren Pedersen", my room mate and long time friend.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Credding

It feels like there's a kindred spirit out there who sees things the same way I do... and it's life affirming.
by JackCNewell

A point for
President Barack Obama

There are a lot of 'leaders' out there who made decisions (were not 'wishy-washy'), and don't we all kind of wish they didn't? I'm thinking of George "I'm the decider" Bush, Adolf "I heart Eugenics" Hitler, or Pol "I killed about 1 million of my countrymen" Pot.

To be what I consider a good or great leader is to not dictate, it's to lead people. Sometimes you lead people from the front and sometimes you lead from the rear.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Crudding

Though you might have a perfectly solid, air-tight argument based solely on fact and backed up with three sources of reliable reference, anybody who simply doesn't cotton to the idea - or who doesn't like the look of your stupid, fat face - can crud it.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

As a Libertarian, I say that people should be able to do whatever they want, provided it does no harm to others. Smoking weed doesn't hurt anyone but the person doing the smoking.
by froggerus

A point for
Crudding

A natural process of separating the wheat from the chaff.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Crudding

I think it's possibly good to make people aware that not everyone agrees with your opinion. It would be nice to know why they crud you though.
by froggerus

A point against
Home Schooling

Although most colleges are open to admitting homeschooled students, some still prefer those with a public or private-school education. If your child has his heart set on a certain school, you may need to adjust your plans to meet their admission requirements.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Home Schooling

Homeschoolers have the freedom to progress quickly in the subjects at which they excel, while spending more time on the subjects that are a challenge for them. They are not tied to the timetable of the classroom.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Crudding

Being Crudded hurts so bad!
by JackCNewell

A point for
The Legalization of Marijuana

Prohibition by the government spurns illegal activities, and is outside the purview of what a government should do. So, it's a personal freedoms situation.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

The Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association (JPMA), which represents the leading manufacturers of baby bottles in the United States, stands by the scientific research indicating that plastic baby bottles are safe.

Sound and respected scientific research has consistently shown there is no danger to consumers when products are used as intended. Trace levels of bisphenol A (BPA) from consumer products are well below any level that could cause harm to adults or to our children. Other scientific studies have shown that BPA has NO effect on the reproductive system, NO effect on the developmental system, and NO cancer-causing effects. Recent reports indicating otherwise are both sensational and biased, and they have not received any validation from the scientific community.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Free Condoms in High Schools

Abstinence only programs have proved ineffective at curbing teen pregnancy.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

Polycarbonate plastic is used for a reason: It's useful. Hard, shatterproof, lightweight and clear, it's in a huge range of products from water bottles and food storage containers, to lenses in eyeglasses and car headlights, CDs and DVDs, and even bulletproof glass. "Whether you realize it or not, you use it in your life every day," says Steven Hentges, head of the polycarbonate group at the industry lobby organization American Chemistry Council.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
1984

It's double plus good.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

Researchers tested 19 baby bottles purchased in nine U.S. states and Canada. Bottle brands included Avent, Dr. Brown, Evenflo, Disney, Gerber and Playtex. When the bottles were heated to 175 degrees F (80 degrees C), every one of them leached bisphenol A at about 5 to 7 parts per billion. The report also suggested that because of the chemical makeup of bisphenol A, it may leach more in fatty or acidic liquids, such as milk or apple juice, than in water.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Fire

It enables one to see at night.
by froggerus

A point for
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

There is one addition to the new game that was not present in the last version: Special Ops mode. It's basically a single player or co-op mode where you perform challenges against the clock, like battling successive waves of bad guys trying to kill you, trying to get from point A to point B while bad guys try to kill you, or racing your snow mobile while bad guys try to kill you. But I'll be damned if I can find any friends to play with yet.
by froggerus

A point against
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

It should really be called Modern Warfare 1.5 because, while the graphics have been tweaked from the last version, there's really not much new, it's a "continuation" of the story line from the previous game, the campaign mode is ridiculously short, and the multiplayer just adds new maps.
by froggerus

A point against
Creationism

There is simply no compelling evidence for creationism, intelligent design, or whatever term will be coined in the future to try to force god into schools' science curricula. To say that "we are simply too wonderful to have evolved by chance" is an example of the Appeal to Ignorance. You can't imagine how humanity could possibly have come about any other way, so it must have been your imaginary friend in the sky. The first thing you would have to do is show that evolution could not be true. But the more time that goes by the more evidence is found to support evolution. And where is the definition of a "too wonderful" human body to be found? Even if the human body were perfect, this would not be proof of a creator. It would simply show that nature, over the course of 3.5 billion years, developed a pretty good organism. But there are plenty of design flaws with the human body, including the partial shared pathway our air and food go through, the backward wiring of humans' eyes, and the presence of that great useless organ--the appendix. If you've ever chocked on a piece of food, you should question "intelligent" design.
by froggerus

A point for
Apple, Inc.

I support the free market. People complaining about Apple products being too expensive are analogous to people who complain about too much sex and violence on television. In that case, they can simply refrain from watching the objectionable program. In the case of Apple products being too expensive, they can refrain from buying the objectionable hardware. Apple is thriving, so there are obviously plenty of people who feel they're getting quality for their money.
by froggerus

A point for
Bacon

any amateur chef can add flavor by just adding butter or bacon
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Evolution

It is as close as you can come to a "fact" in science. It is the basis for modern biology. Science "accepts" evolution because there is no current better explanation for how the varying life forms on Earth came to be.

While reading Eugenie Scott's Evolution Vs. Creationism one day, the section explaining the age of the earth troubled me. Not because I believe that violent little collection of short stories called The Bible is accurate in its claim that the earth is but 6,000 - 10,000 years old; but because I had no practical way of fathoming just how long 4.5 billion years (the true age of the earth) was.

So I came up with a way to imagine this enormous amount of time. Imagine that a year is one inch long. This means that I am 35.9 inches, or almost 3 feet, old. World War II ended 64 inches, or a little over five feet ago. The Declaration of Independence was 233 inches, or almost 19-and-a-half feet ago. You get the idea.

Using this measurement, the Young Earth Creationists believe that the earth is between 500 and 833 feet old. For all of you jocks out there, that's 1.38 - 2.31 football fields. Let's just say 2 for the ease of math.

How long is 4.5 billion inches? It's 375 million feet; 71,022 miles; or 2.85 times around the earth at the equator.

So the difference between the age of the Earth to biblical literalists, and the age of the earth to intelligent people, is the difference between two Soldier Fields and the better part of three-times around the Earth. No wonder they don't buy evolution. Dummies.
by froggerus

A point for
Recycling

I used to complain that Michigan made you pay a deposit on every bottle you purchased, but if it makes you bring the bottles back to the store I'm all for. I do think, however, that there should be better instructions for what goes where. We recycle in our building, but I'm often faced with some choices about which container should go where. A milk carton? It's kind of paper, but it's coated with wax. What about those half-paper, half-plastic containers? Penn & Teller had a Bullshit episode about recycling, talking about how it's a waste of time and how the energy used to recycle a product is greater than the energy used to make a new product; but what about the land fills? What about the Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch? I think people should create less garbage when possible, by bringing their own bags to the grocery store for instance, and recycle the garbage they do create.
by froggerus

A point for
Zombieland

It's not the greatest zombie movie, and it's not the worst. It's like a pop song that, while you certainly can't respect it, you still can't help but tapping your foot along to while singing along under your breath. There are some neat dispatchings of the undead and there were a few moments that made me chuckle. I didn't find it frightening at all, but I didn't find Shaun of the Dead to be scary either, and I'd give that 9 out of 13 Eds, in part because there were many allusions to Romero zombie flicks. For a zom-rom-com, I'd give Zombieland 8 out of 13 Eds.
by froggerus

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

There is no such thing as a "bad" word. Words are just words. The fact that you cannot be offended by a foreign "bad" word because you do not know its meaning shows that the mere utterance the sounds are not the problem. The fact that people use alternate words to mean the same thing, such as "crap" for "shit" or "frak" for "fuck," shows that the meaning of the word is also not the problem. So what other reason could there possibly be to avoid the use of a certain set of letters and phonics arranged in a particular order? The only reason I can think of is that society has arbitrarily deemed certain words as vulgar. I blame the Puritans. I'm an equal opportunity linguist and think that every word should be used when appropriate, including "douche bag."
by froggerus

A point for
Firearms

The police are rarely present when a crime is committed, and it is ultimately up to the individual citizen to be able to protect himself in the case of a home invasion.
by froggerus

A point against
Bottled water

One can purchase a Nalgene® reusable water bottle or similar product and fill it up in the morning at home or, if one has a water cooler or fountain there, fill it at work.
by froggerus

A point against
Apple, Inc.

"I bought an iMac for my son (for school) along with the extended Applecare warranty. A month ago, it quit working. My son took it to the authorized Mac service center. The "tech" informed him it would be ready in 48-72 hours. Five days go by and he's heard nothing, so I called. They informed me that his computer can't be worked on because it's contaminated.

"When I asked for an explanation, she said he's a smoker and it's contaminated with cigarette smoke which they consider a bio-hazard! I checked my Applecare warranty and it says nothing about not honoring warranties if the owner is a smoker. The Applecare representative said they defer to the technician and my son's computer cannot be fixed at any Apple Service Center due to being listed a bio-hazard.

"This computer cost approx. $3,000, with the extended warranty. I'm all for destroying cigarettes and putting big tobacco out of business (yes, I'm a reformed smoker), but to label a computer a biohazard because one is a smoker is going a bit too far in regulating who can have the warranty they purchased honored. Shouldn't there be some disclaimer stating that they won't honor warranties from smokers?"
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Flintstones

The series was the first prime-time animated series aimed at adults.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Apple, Inc.

Calacanis' Five Point Argument Against Apple

1. Apple is destroying MP3 player innovation through anti-competitive practices. I'm not convinced this is true, but the iPod is rapidly becoming a monoculture in the MP3 space, and monocultures aren't healthy. If there were a stronger competitor to Apple here, consumers would likely reap the benefits of the competition.

2. Monopolistic practices in telecommunications. I agree with him that tying the iPhone to a single carrier is a retrograde move, and not very smart perhaps (AT&T is few people's favorite company), but it's not monopolistic. Still, I look forward to the day that we have some choice here, too.

3. Draconian App Store policies that are, frankly, insulting. No argument here. Understanding the App Store approval and rejection process requires a Kremlinology degree and the decisions seem to go against Apple's ethos. This is one of the major procedural issues facing the company these days.

4. Being a horrible hypocrite by banning other browsers on the iPhone. Agreed here, too. Though there is some elegance gained by locking its platforms down, Apple should be promoting - and users should be demanding - freedom to use what apps we want as a higher value than elegance.

5. Blocking the Google Voice Application on the iPhone. Another agree. It's not right for a platform maker to block its competitors and offer only its applications.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Apple, Inc.

Originally, the company stood in opposition to staid competitors like IBM more or less by default, thanks to the influence of its founders; Steve Jobs often walked around the office barefoot even after Apple was a Fortune 500 company. By the time of the "1984" TV ad, this trait had become a key way the company attempts differentiated itself from its competitors.

As the company has grown and been led by a series of chief executives, each with his own idea of what Apple should be, some of its original character has arguably been lost, but Apple still has a reputation for fostering individuality and excellence that reliably draws talented people into its employ, especially after Jobs' return.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Judy Blume

"Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret"
"Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing"
"Then Again, Maybe I Won't"
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Judy Blume

Her allegedly ambiguous treatment of moral issues made her at one time a regular target of school library censors and the religious right. Her books are still often challenged in school libraries; in fact, Forever was the second most challenged book of 2005, according to the American Library Association.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Joe Biden

Annoying and mouthy, he's a bit too full of himself. Too outspoken for his own good. Suffers from insert-foot-in-mouth disease fairly often.
by spazol

A point for
Judy Blume

She produced realistic, challenging, yet user-friendly youth fiction. Helped a lot of her readers deal with adolescence and family dynamics without being preachy, condescending or patronizing. (Her adult fiction isn't as significant.)
by spazol

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

I find the argument that this is a misogynist term to have some merit, although the fact that "condom" is not used as a similar term also ignores the very common mass-media euphemism analogous term "scumbag". In fact, I venture to say most people who use the word scumbag don't even realize the term originally referred to a used condom.

I list this observation as "for" instead of "against" as the use of douchebag is preferable to, say, "dirty cunt"
by spazol

A point against
Neti Pots

Daily nasal saline irrigation may encourage sinus infections. Long-term use of a neti pot to clear stuffy noses and blocked nasal passages may actually encourage more sinus problems rather than keep them away. A new study shows people who used nasal saline irrigation for a year and then discontinued use the following year had 62% fewer cases of sinusitis in the year that they didn't use the device.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Nintendo Wii

has gotten many obese children to get up and "play" there way fit!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Sarah Palin

Politicians routinely do not finish their terms. Granted, that is mostly because they seek higher office. But is it really any better that the citizens of Illinois were left without a full-time senator while President Obama went campaigning for president? I would have preferred it if he had resigned and been replaced with someone who actually wanted to be senator. So Barack Obama effectively serves only 1/3 of his term before his ambition calls him to leave his post and that is ok, while Sarah Palin leaves her post to benefit the citizens of her state (but probably mostly because her ambition is beckoning her too) and that is not ok? If it's acceptable practice for President Obama and countless other politicians, why is it a point against Sarah Palin?
by egorz13

A point for
Sarah Palin

Once Sarah Palin became a lightning rod, the lightning strikes were continuous. Opponents and journalists made charges and launched investigations, some frivolous and others not so frivolous. With all these starving predators scraping around the tundra looking for meat, governing became difficult - and extremely expensive for the citizens of the state. Some would say she sacrificed hersef to the wolves so the herd (Alaska) could go on about it's business without harassment.
by egorz13

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

"Dick wad" is so 1986.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Sarah Palin

She did not finish her term as governor. People in her state and in her party raised and spent a lot of money to get her in that office because they believed she was the right person for the job and she let them down.
by Uklamok

A point against
The term douchebag in every day speech

Douchebag and fuck both illustrate a laziness of thought. I never said it was the only appropriate word. I said that people use it in the place of traditional swear words as a somehow more socially acceptable slur. Colostomy bag would fit the bill perfectly. It implies ickyness and and but is sanitized of the more crude reference. People wont use it not because it does not flow, but rather because they the because the term douchebag is much more heavily loaded with meaning.

I would like to note that you are crudding my arguments against because you do not agree with my claim of misogyny, not because they are they bad arguments against using the word. I on the other had find a silly sounding word argument to be poor when people could just work a little harder to find a better insult that to use publically or in mixed company We have one of the most diverse languages on the planet, borrowing words, phrases and ideas from almost every other language we encounter. Surely we can do better.
by Uklamok

A point for
The term douchebag in every day speech

Douchebag is just another way the creative human mind has devised to show our disdain for someone; I fo one refuse to accept that fuck is the only "appropriate" explicative. No misogyny either; other icky things that are applicable to men only (e.g. used condom) or equally applicable amongst the sexes (e.g. colostomy bag) just don't have the same flow. Ickiness PLUS intriguing sequence of sounds equals useful word.
by egorz13

A point for
Hi-Def Television

It is a major step forward in broadcast television. It is the first time this quality of picture is being provided free to the home. This kind of quality prior to HD-TV was only to be found in pay for TV services or through the purchase of DVDs.
by Uklamok

A point against
Hi-Def Television

The receiver boxes do not really work that well with analog boxes. If people want to get a decent picture in their home they are now forced to upgrade to a new box or pay for cable or satellite.
by Uklamok

A point against
The term douchebag in every day speech

The "moderately amusing and intriguing sequence of sounds" argument is a matter of perception. When one use the term that may be their intent, but what i perceive is latent misogyny. At its most basic its says dirty girl parts are icky and bad and by equating this person with dirty girl parts I'm saying they are bad too.
by Uklamok

A point against
The term douchebag in every day speech

Has our culture become so incredibly misogynistic that when we do not like or approve of another persons behavior that we have to refer to them as a device used to clean female genitalia? Why is this term acceptable when more traditional four letter explicatives are what we really mean. Are we so unoriginal that we as a culture can not find a better way to refer to someone with disdain?If you think some one is a fuck, call them a fuck. Calling some a douchebag is in no way more acceptable.
by Uklamok

A point against
Flintstones

It is an animated version of the honeymooners set in the stone age. It teaches children that married people frequently lie and play tricks on each other to avoid each others company.
by Uklamok

A point against
Neti Pots

Frequent neti pot use can cause infections. If a person suffers from regular nasal or sinus infections one should consult a doctor to find the source of the infection instead of trying to home remedy it with the saline solution.
by Uklamok

A point for
Bottled water

People actually drink water instead of a carbonated beverage.
by Uklamok

A point against
Apple, Inc.

You can not open up an apple product without voiding your warranty. You will have to upgrade your entire machine every time instead of extending the life of the machine with incremental improvements.
by Uklamok

A point against
Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin may be burdened with the cross of a double-standard. She may be crucified by a media circus that hates her simply for being her. She may be unfairly categorized as a moron for her gaffes. She may very well have to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Not one of these things alters the possibility of Sarah Palin being a lying douchebag moron.

Also, Sarah Palin is a lying douchebag moron.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Apple, Inc.

Incredibly durable devices. Will last for years without showing as much wear as competitors hardware.
by juszczak

A point against
Apple, Inc.

High cost of entry - fancy way of saying "expensive".
by juszczak

A point against
Joe Biden

When criticizing former GOP nominee John McCain in Athens, Ohio, on Oct. 15, 2008, Biden said, "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Balloon Boy Family

They are the epitome of reality TV culture. We need more of this sort of nonsense to wake people up to the kind of culture they are creating. Perhaps networks will actually be scared to are "alternative programming" and might go back to thinks like scripted plots and talented actors.
by Uklamok

A point against
Nintendo Wii

Developers feel that because the wii remote has a motion sensor they need to add a stick wiggle part to every single game no matter how much it disrupts the flow of the game.
by Uklamok

A point for
Nintendo Wii

Most child friendly titles.
by Uklamok

A point against
College Football

They are used as farm teams from professional sports but many teams are paid for with taxes. The game would be better served if a football minor league was instituted and college football teams were eliminated.
by Uklamok

A point against
Women

Can't live with 'em.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Home Schooling

It seems that the points against home schooling that refer to sheltering and lack of socialization are based on a stereotype of what a home school situation is like (I'd like to hear the reasoning, otherwise). I've known many traditionally-schooled kids that could be considered shelterd or poorly socialized or lacking in experience with diversity of belief. On the flip side, haven't any of you made friends at the park, neighborhood, scouts, karate class, little league, church, etc.? I certainly made more friends from those sources than from school at any level.
by egorz13

A point for
Sarah Palin

Katzwinkel posts another gaffe by Palin, her referring to a "department of law" at the white house. What his point against actually is, he leaves for the rest of us to guess at (imprecise speech during an interview? stupidity?). Anyway, every politician, professor, speaker, interviewee, etc. has gaffes. This is my point exactly: the fact that Sarah Palin is immediatedly considered a joke for her gaffes while the gaffes of others aren't immediate disqualifiers (does anyone remember the 57 states in President O'Bama's United States?) is exactly the double standard that is so obnoxious. I'm not calling for more gaffe sensitivity here, just fairness. For crying out loud, it seems that every time Vice President Biden opens his mouth something goofy or incorrect comes out of it. Does that make him unserious? No. Sarah palin deserves to be able to play on the same field as everyone else.
by egorz13

A point against
Green Party (U.S.)

People feel it draws support away from the Democratic party.
by Uklamok

A point for
Premium Gasoline

Engines are designed to run with a certain octane of gasoline. High performance engines usually require a higher octane. You are not buying better gas but the best gas suited to the needs of an engine. People should not buy premium just because they want the best they should buy it if that is what their car requires. This is a case where an owner needs to read the manual.
by Uklamok

A point against
Marriage

With the current high failure rate and the high cost of divorce It may be better to enter into a renewable contract as opposed to a lifelong commitment.
by Uklamok

A point for
Marriage

A public statement of the love, devotion and commitment of a couple.
by Uklamok

A point against
Atlas Shrugged

From a literary point of view this book need serious editing, especially the speech by John Galt. The author makes a point, illustrates it through the life of her characters and repeats it to absurdity. While I do not agree with the authors point of view she can be a compelling story teller and the book could have been a good read if it had been cut do to a third its original size.
by Uklamok

A point against
Bottled water

Two bottles of Evian every day for a year: $726.35.
A year's worth of Brita pitchers and Nalgene bottles: $30.99
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Sarah Palin

"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Bottled water

Single use bottles are wasteful and often not recycled.
by juszczak

A point against
Bottled water

Most brands of bottled water are filtered municipal water + a huge markup.
by juszczak

A point for
Sarah Palin

The AP fact check piece referred to by Katzwinkel is a great example of the double standard that Sarah Palin is being made to endure. The AP, maybe to justify the expense of 11 contributing writers, picked some "errors" from the book that are either not really errors at all or are subjective opinion. The only fact-like fact check item, her frugality as governor of Alska, admits that "she usually opted for less-pricey hotels" but the authors evidently think that the existence of a trip that cost Alaska a whopping "well over $3,000" is cause enough to issue a verdict of Palin having "gone Rogue on some facts." Thin gruel for people obviously eager to tear her down.
by egorz13

A point against
Sarah Palin

By early November 2009, Palin’s Going Rogue book was the number one seller on Amazon.com and other leading booksellers. Before its release, the Associated Press obtained a copy of the 432-page book, fact-checked it, and found it interesting but with several inaccuracies. The AP's review reported, "Ignoring substantial parts of her record if not the facts, she depicts herself as a frugal traveler on the taxpayer's dime, a reformer without ties to powerful interests and a politician roguishly indifferent to high ambition." In response to the AP review, Palin said on her Facebook page, "...as is expected, the AP and a number of subsequent media outlets are erroneously reporting the contents of the book. Keep your powder dry, read the book, and enjoy it!" A former senior McCain campaign official reviewed book excerpts about Palin accusing the campaign of keeping her away from the news media, and the official said, "Apparently the excerpts from the book are a continuation of a well-established and documented pattern where she (Palin) makes representations that are exaggerations or fiction."
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Sarah Palin

While I'm still unsure about her myself, the level and type of criticism toward her really gets the contrarian impulse going in me. She simultaneously, though unintentially, illustrates just how hollow some followers of feminism really are while also highlighting the arrogance of a certain brand of elitist regardless of political affiliation. The gross double standard in the criticism she receives versus a male politician or a female politician of a leftist ideology is more than enough for me to throw some support her way. She still has to prove herself worthy of the national stage, though.
by egorz13

A point for
Home Schooling

Indeed, one of the attractions of home schooling is precisely that bullies and social cliques, which can interfere with providing and receiving education, are removed from the learning environment. These are not necessary to learning the three R's. And, unless they are never allowed to leave the house, there will be no shortage of encounters with these and other experiences for the home-schooled student.
by egorz13

A point for
Home Schooling

It is both the right and the responsibility of parents to educate their children as they see fit until the child reaches maturity and the right and responsibility are transferred to the individual. The mere existence of homeschooling is a reminder and reaffirmation of that right, even if public schooling is a better option on the whole.
by egorz13

A point against
Nintendo Wii

supposed to get people up and moving, some larger players have found a way to play while sitting down.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
FuzzyMemories.TV

A blast from the past for anybody from Chicago. Much of the material will have you saying, "OH YEAH! I REMEMBER THAT! WOW!"
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Neti Pots

I use to think that it was new age hooey, till I tried the neti pot I cleared my sinus and felt my head clear in a matter of minutes.
by Buscia

A point against
Home Schooling

Not only does home schooling limit the child's socialization, it limits the diversity of interactions with people of other beliefs. The child never has to deal with the day to day problems of school,such as bullies and social cliques. Their exposure is only to what is presented to them by the parents. AND where do these kids go to just get away from the family? Where is the down time from Mom,Dad, and siblings? I can go onand on but will end here.
by Buscia

A point for
Jack's new car

change is always good
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Balloon Boy Family

Richard Heene appeared before a Larimer County District Court judge first, pleading guilty to a felony count of falsely influencing the sheriff who led the rescue effort during the 50-mile balloon chase that captivated a global television audience Oct. 15.

Mayumi Heene pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of knowingly filing a false report with emergency services. Prosecutors said she had a lower level of culpability and cooperated with authorities, telling investigators the balloon launch was a publicity stunt two weeks in the making.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Neti Pots

Living in high-density areas where people and pollution are your constant neighbors and always within elbow's reach, the germs and dirt they bring into your life need to be cleaned out or you risk getting a cold or irritating your delicate sinus lining.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Neti Pots

The neti pot used with a saline solution has been shown to be an effective treatment for hay fever, sinusitis, and other nasal conditions.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Neti Pots

It's voodoo hooey!
by juszczak

A point for
President Barack Obama

"President Obama isn't doing anything! And he's changing everything!" ~ conservatives
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Women

Why is this a category? Women are far smarter than men, yet will do almost anything men say... Stupid and smart in one hot ball of mess. Give me something to work with here!
by Lindsay

A point for
Judy Blume

Nothing, and I mean nothing, can ever be said against Judy Blume. Without her I would not know know why seemingly strange things happen to my body every month. AND my boobs would be far smaller without the "we must, we must increase our busts" exercises I did regularly throughout middle school.
by Lindsay

A point against
Atlas Shrugged

This book is far too long and ridiculous for a reader to carry characters and ideas throughout the whole text. 20-25 Ideas are so *new* and *refreshing* to grwon-ups too ong and ridiculous.
by Lindsay

A point for
Coke Zero

Coke zero bad... Sprite zero good. Sprite zero and whisky 65 calories... Awesome.
by Lindsay

A point against
Jack's new car

Easily recognized by others... Truck is here? Jack must be here... we all have to learn a new car/trigger.
by Lindsay

A point for
Recycling

Shouldn't be mandatory. Rather, the recycling agent should pay people for their recyclable material. I think that would invite more participation. It's a win for everybody.
by egorz13

A point against
Monty Python

Inspired countless American males to impose painful skit reenactments and terrible fake British accents on the rest of humanity.
by egorz13

A point against
Green Party (U.S.)

It espouses a much more liberal point of view than the Democrat Party.
by egorz13

A point against
President Barack Obama

Appears to be too wishy-washy because he is constantly talking about compromise while he actually avoids compromise and questions the motivations of his opponents. He seeks firm ideological decisions that will not help and will probably do harm, resulting in the risk of becoming another Jimmy Carter.
by egorz13

A point for
World Series of Poker

Instructive at least, and probably entertaining too for people who enjoy playing poker.
by egorz13

A point against
Atlas Shrugged

The author erroneously uses the concept of individual liberty to justify her soulless selfishness and utter lack of normal human emotion.
by egorz13

A point against
Atlas Shrugged

After ably making the case for individual liberty, the author doesn't seem to leave much room for the legitimate claims of authority made by groups of free people desiring to organize their community life as they see fit.
by egorz13

A point for
Atlas Shrugged

Atlas Shrugged is an articulate, if wordy, illustration of the idea that free exchange of value is prerequisite to individual freedom.
by egorz13

A point for
Windows 7

Less bloated than Windows Vista; it will run faster and it uses less memory.
by spazol

A point for
Magnetism

Awfully helpful, especially when involving electricity, construction, hard drives, and posting Junior's latest artwork on the fridge.
by spazol

A point for
President Barack Obama

Among the more intelligent and educated leaders we've had. Seems to genuinely want to produce change for the better instead of merely letting things remain status quo.
by spazol

A point for
Recycling

Should be required for almost all homes and businesses -- especially restaurants and other firms that have a lot of usage of containers and material.
by spazol

A point for
Men

Somewhat essential to propagating the species. Often handy at lifting heavy objects or making loud noises. Heavily involved in creating and inventing most of humankind's useful and artistic accomplishments.
by spazol

A point for
Fire

One of humankind's greatest treasures, learning to control it. Among the foundations of civilization.
by spazol

A point for
Evolution

Reasonable belief. Those who oppose its probability have not studied it...most often they have heard someone else's criticism.
by spazol

A point for
Everclear

Potent and effective alcoholic beverage, especially useful in a Hairy Buffalo (drink). Somewhat popular post-grunge pop rock band.
by spazol

A point against
Magnetism

It can ruin certain types of storage media and monitors.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Creationism

For every intricate creation, there is a creator. We are simply too wonderful to have evolved by chance.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
President Barack Obama

Seems to be open to different points of view instead of being locked into a strong belief.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
President Barack Obama

Appears to be too wishy-washy so far - trying too hard to compromise which results in a lukewarm decision that neither helps nor harms. Risk of being another Jimmy Carter.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
President Barack Obama

Has failed to live up to his promises so far.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

Better alternative than heavy glass bottles because a baby using a glass bottle might accidently hit himself with it and be hurt, as opposed to a plastic bottle which you wouldn't have to worry about in this regard.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Bacon

You're never satisfied when eating it unless you gorge yourself. You're always open to another slice of bacon. Therefore, it's evil.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Monty Python

They revolutionized comedy for a new generation, much as the Beatles did for music.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Recycling

It's never exactly clear what is acceptable to put in your neighborhood recycling bin. They should accept anything with a recycle symbol on it, but in many cases this is not so.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
FuzzyMemories.TV

Home video recordings are meant for individual use and are not to be rebroadcast, under U.S. Copyright law.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
FuzzyMemories.TV

It provides fans a chance to see material that wouldn't otherwise be available.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Goat Cheese

Pregnant women shouldn't eat it, due to risk of listeria.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Hi-Def Television

Hi-Def television, along with high quality home speaker systems are making less people have the theater experience, which is a shame because seeing a movie in a full theater far surpasses seeing it in your home.
by JackCNewell

A point against
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

The new correspondents aren't as good as the old ones. (e.g., Steve Carell)
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Jack's new car

It costs more money than not having a car.
by JackCNewell

A point against
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Jon Stewart mugs to the camera and does funny voices too often.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point for
Jack's new car

It's much better than my truck.
by JackCNewell

A point for
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Satire is important in a free culture.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Monty Python

Too silly.
by FuzzyMemories.TV

A point against
Coke Zero

The commercials for Coke Zero are as bad as Microsoft commercials.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Goat Cheese

Goat cheese is miraculous.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Bacon

It's a cop-out for flavoring something. It's overused everywhere. Any hack of a chef can make anything taste good if you either put bacon in it, or a ton of butter.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Bacon

Do you know the daily recommended serving size for bacon?

It's 0. None. You are recommended by nutritionists to eat 0 units of bacon a day. It's terrible for you.
by JackCNewell

A point against
Atlas Shrugged

This book has given countless of selfish assholes fodder for their argument of selfish asshole-ness.
by JackCNewell

A point for
Waffle House

Most are clean and friendly, and the food is cooked right out in the open so you know you're getting it freshly made. Prices were reasonable, too, at least they were in the '90s when I frequented them, often on long highway drives through the South.
by spazol

A point against
Waffle House

Some locations can be very, very skeezy.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
World Series of Poker

as if watching people golf on television wasn't bad enough, wait! hold on there now you can watch people play cards! It is truly a show for those that would like to play poker, but don't want to bother moving from the couch, i mean come on you get so sweaty from playing poker!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Elton John

William Shatner doing Rocket man.
by Uklamok

A point for
Elton John

Rocket man.
by Uklamok

A point for
Green Party (U.S.)

It espouses a much more liberal point of view than the Democratic Party.
by Uklamok

A point against
World Series of Poker

Least exciting TV ever.
by Uklamok

A point for
Bacon

Very versatile, uses from breakfast to dessert from dinner!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Fire

It destroys things!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Fire

it's cool to look at!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Boobs

they are a means for feeding a baby fresh from the womb! they are also a connection between a mother and child!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
ShamWow

if you support ShamWow, you are indirectly supporting the battering of women, who for a price that is negotiated will pleasure you in a predetermined spot or in an alley way!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
H1N1 Vaccine

A. I am afraid of needles, doctors and hospitals! Plus shots can hurt!

B. It is all just one big conspiracy theory to thin the herds.
by tmytbr3

A point for
ShamWow

Since I am 12.5% German I guess I am predisposed to liking the ShamWow.

But...

I am also 50% Mexican and as everyone knows they are the back bone of hand car washes...among other labor intensive industries. Anything that makes their job easier such as this amazing product and all it's uses that apply to car washing such as...holding 12X it's weight in liquid, washes, dries, and polishes (ONE ShamWow does all three of these, image having to use THREE different towels), won't scratch surface (very important in the car washing industry) and lasts ten years (great product life means we can save more natural resources)... means I am for it!

Though having never used the ShamWow I think for me it all boils down to the "wow" factor. If they had called it the ShamWasherDryerPolisher then I might not have found it such an attractive product.
by tmytbr3

A point for
ShamWow

it is ultra absorbent, made in Germany, you know the Germans make great stuff.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Home Schooling

Beyond the requirement that a lesson plan be filed, there is no real requirements about the quality and kind of education a child can receive. Lesson plans can be found online.
by Uklamok

A point against
ShamWow

Vince is just plain creepy.
by Uklamok

A point for
Fire

with fire comes regrowth. It also provides heat and warmth, for cooking or otherwise.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Bacon Jam

it is a heart attack in a jar!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Bacon Jam

it is delicious!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Cloth Diapers

very unsanitary!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Cloth Diapers

reusable, Eco-friendly (not putting as much in the landfill) and nostalgic.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Verizon

they are the nations largest cellular phone carrier.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
H1N1 Vaccine

It will help everyone become more immune to the disease in the long run.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Verizon

They are increasing their early termination fee by 175 dollars.
by Uklamok

A point for
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

It's always sunny in Philadelphia! I'm sorry i couldn't resist, however it is a place where our founding fathers held conventions, and signed important documents.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Coke Zero

It doesn't taste very good.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
H1N1 Vaccine

It will help protect people from catching the virus.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Rock, Paper, Scissors

a game that can be played anywhere at any time by anyone. It is the universal time killer along with tic tac toe!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Bacon

you can wrap other foods in it, and make those foods better!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
iPhone

many applications for download. it is a universal tool, to make it "your" phone.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Bacon

Not the healthiest if all possible choices.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Bacon

it is delicious!
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
iPhone

Using one cellular service provider (AT*T) instead of any compatible provider smacks of monopolistic tendencies.
by spazol

A point for
iPhone

The argument that an iPhone "is a toy for the rich instead of a tool for the masses" ignores the historical trends of most new technology, and especially the cell phone phenomenon. "Car phones" in the early to mid 1980s were very expensive, but within 15 years the price dropped dramatically so that they became very popular among all (but the lowest) classes of the US. Similar innovations begun by the iPhone have influenced both the development of competing products as well as reduced the cost of the Apple brand device besides its cheaper, similar competitors.
by spazol

A point for
Verizon

Reception in the Chicago area is excellent. When other cell phones cannot get service, a Verizon cell phone still might.
by spazol

A point against
Home Schooling

Shelters students from real-world socialization. Reduces the contact that children have with people outside the immediate family.
by spazol

A point for
Home Schooling

Allows for individualized education by a caring, invested instructor.
by spazol

A point against
Verizon

Credits toward the account don't make up for the mistakes and problems customers have been experiencing.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Verizon

their customer service agents offer large monetary credits for dissatisfied customers.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Verizon

their customer service is horrible, their service is not very good.
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

plastic baby bottles are easy to clean and they are environmentally friendly (most are recyclable).
by blaiselukasiewicz

A point against
Sarah Palin

The more I learn about her, the less I like, admire, and respect her.
by spazol

A point for
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Nothing good can come from Philadelphia? A lot of Ben Franklin's contributions came directly from him while in Philadelphia. A lot of America itself was developed in Philadelphia. Until NYC became #1, Philadelphia was the center of industry and culture in the US.
by spazol

A point against
Sarah Palin

She made George bush look like an accomplished orator.
by Uklamok

A point against
iPhone

It is way too expensive. You are locked into a data plan and one of the most useful tools, the gps, comes at a fee. This is a toy for the rich instead of a tool for the masses.
by Uklamok

A point against
Goat Cheese

Sometimes this flavor is very strong and some consumers find it disagreeable.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Goat Cheese

It is "kidney friendly" and suitable for those with CKD (Chronic Kidney Disease) as it is very low in potassium.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Goat Cheese

Recent studies show that the protein found in goat cheese is higher than in cows, and is actually very similar to that of human breast milk.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Rock, Paper, Scissors

A great way to break a tie or choose a "short straw" with no materials or preparation. However, some people don't know how to Rock, Paper, Scissor properly, which drives me insane.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Rock, Paper, Scissors

There are actual "World Rock Paper Scissors Society sanctioned tournaments," which is asinine.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

It's as funny as hell.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Though it is strictly a satirical venue, people use the show as a means to develop opinions about the news of the day.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

An obvious leftist bent, which sometimes seems pander to the audience that naturally gravitates to the show. A more balanced take, if possible, may add to the show's ability to change people's minds to the most logical view.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
E-Cigarettes

An electronic cigarette contains a taste of tobacco but none of the harmful substances found in normal cigarettes allowing smokers cravings to be satisfied without inhaling the many dangerous toxins.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

Glass baby bottles retain heat very easily and can be kept warm longer than their plastic counterparts.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

If you misplace a glass baby bottle around the house and it has milk in it, it will not retain the rotten milk smell like plastic baby bottles.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

The glass bottles are very easy to clean and are very dish washer safe.
by Katzwinkel

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

Glass is environmentally friendly and it can be recycled.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

Some plastic baby bottles can be recycled through your local recycling centers or curbside pickup. Check for the raised identification number on the bottom of each bottle. Most bottles will either have a number 4, 7, or no number at all.

If your bottle has a number 4 or 7 there is a a good chance you will not be able to recycle it in the traditional manner. Contact your local recycling centers to see if they accept plastics with a PIC (Plastic Identification Code) 4 or PIC 7. If they do, great! Your work stops here, just drop off your supply of bottles with those numbers.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Cheesesteaks.
by juszczak

A point for
Rock, Paper, Scissors

A fun game for all ages. People who don't even speak the same language can play each other.
by spazol

A point for
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Stewart and his writing staff help provide necessary and intelligent criticism.
by spazol

A point against
Creationism

If "creationism" means a refutation of the theory of evolution, I'm against it. And I think most creationists in this vein **who bother to educate themselves about evolution** (not just agreeing with "creationists") will agree that the theory and its evidence make sense. But the good news for people who merely think of creationism as "G-d created the universe": I think they can happily agree with both creationism and evolution: G-d is or created whatever preceded or began that which evolved.
by spazol

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

It's not a breast
by juszczak

A point against
Plastic Baby Bottles

May contain BPA
by juszczak

A point for
Plastic Baby Bottles

They're cheap.
by juszczak

A point against
Coke Zero

It's nothing but chemicals
by juszczak

A point against
iPhone

Tethering still doesn't work in the US
by juszczak

A point against
Everclear

Everclear
by juszczak

A point for
Coke Zero

It's delicious!
by Katzwinkel

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Water vapor is less harmful than tobacco cigarette smoke.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Reduces the amount of money spent on tobacco cigarettes over time.
by Katzwinkel

A point for
E-Cigarettes

Helps people to quit smoking actual cigarettes.
by Katzwinkel

 
         
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